I didn't attend film school, but art school in the 70s. The male teachers were all dating their students. I'll admit I slept with my painting teacher, not to get a good grade because I was the best painter in the class... just because. At first he asked me what grade I wanted. Then when we began to fight he flunked me. This is the main reason I don't have a degree in art. Don't think the silence you're hearing from women on this list is because we have nothing to say.
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Evan Greene <evan.michael.gre...@gmail.com > wrote: > Fred, > > As a young person just beginning to venture into the experimental film > world I find your unwillingness to name names rather troublesome. Your > writing in the past year has been an invaluable resource for me. But > knowingly letting these disgusting people and their art continue to garner > the recognition and prestige it does, I think is wrong. History demands to > be rewritten. Space made for the marginalized. If you do kno some of the > greatest experimental filmmakers who did these things I would hope that you > would share it. I think it’s important information in regards to > writing/talking about and seeing their work in the future. Especially in > experimental filmmaking where much of the content is personal. > > 😎 > > On Nov 24, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Cecilia Dougherty < > cecilia.doughe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you! > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 4:34 PM Fred Camper <f...@fredcamper.com> wrote: > >> Amazing, but unfortunately not that big of a surprise. It supports my >> point that no group should feel holier than thou, or immune from all the >> badness. (Take, for example, priests, oh, wait, let's not...) >> >> I have to admit I do not understand the psychology at work here -- what >> pleasure could any male get out of such behavior? I will say with virtual >> certainty that nothing that you did "prompted" him. I guess we humans are >> all different, and not always in good ways. >> >> Thanks for speaking up. >> Fred Camper >> Chicago >> >> >> On 11/24/2017 11:17 AM, Kate Ewald wrote: >> >> I will give an anecdote about this very listserv: I was very severely >> sexually harassed as a college student posting about a film screening in >> 2008. It was for a well-known experimental filmmaker. The response to my >> post involved "oh, you don't know what you're talking about and I bet you >> can shut up and stick a dick in your mouth." This persisted for several >> posts (becoming increasingly graphic), some just to me, some to the whole >> list - I'm not sure what prompted such a reaction from this stranger. >> Scott was kind enough to delete these posts from the archives out of >> respect and block this person from Frameworks, but as a young person first >> entering the experimental film community (it was my first post on >> Frameworks), I was shaken. Some people policed it and stood up for me >> then, but Scott made it go away very quickly. So yes, this happens in our >> community, and yes, this happens on this listserv. I wish it weren't the >> case. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing >> listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > -- > “As from when does somewhere become truly yours?” -- Georges Perec > > Cecilia Dougherty > http://www.ceciliadougherty.com > http://inbetweentheories.com > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > -- Salise Hughes Artist, Filmmaker, Armchair Anthropologist http://salisehughes.blogspot.com https://vimeo.com/user1421998
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