Yeah, I think I saw that Joe Dimaggio video at the Nightingale. What does
that have to do with road movies? I am reluctant to look more closely at
the list.

But I was also thinking that instead of the call for non-fiction or diary
work, instead of titles that could be associated with documentary in some
way, what would constitute an example of a film that is not any of these?

What is it that is supposed to distinguishes a film "as film" (but one that
has been shot and is not, say, an exploration of color effects) from
whatever it is that is outside of the desired conception of a work? Is it
always "narrative" that is to be counterposed to such a film?

There was that more specific call on the list that invited titles of works
that used a diary to compose words for the voiceover. (Oh hey, I would list
my 2008 film, Postcard: 16 mm, black-and-white, oh so personal). This
strikes me as effectively honing in on a communal sensibility about
"avant-garde" that is "non-fiction."

I recently saw a program of Todd Lillethun's work at Chicago Filmmakers.
The first works were in the spirit of a list such as this, at least in
their meditation on the outsider, the homeless. But then there were a
couple of polished works for which Lillethun was director and writer, and
which were all about the spoken lines, the roles, and the turns in
development that made for a polished production about gay life that would
have broad appeal.

Lillethun had programmed a video of mine way back around 2004, and so I was
struck by the evolution of his sensibilities. Should I protest the
direction the work took? I would say so. And why? I would say because it
took on the function of social oil, of providing material for a
meeting-place type of screening event, it was community building in search
of a broader audience that would be taking time out from a life like that
which appears on screen (Woody Allen, for example).

How about a list of filmmakers who have crossed the line . . the line you
would draw between the real and the game.

Bernie

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:24 AM Elena Duque <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello
>
> I would say Michael Robinson's Onward Lossless Follows (2017) is somehow
> an experimental road movie
> http://www.vdb.org/titles/onward-lossless-follows
>
> Cheers,
>
> El mar., 23 jul. 2019 a las 17:06, Jessica Arseneau (<
> [email protected]>) escribió:
>
>> Hi,
>> This is less in the experimental field, but more in the historic:
>> Wim Wenders, *Im Lauf der Zeit* (1976). In English the title is
>>
>> *Kings of the Road*
>> Best,
>> Jessica
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:56 PM Kornelia Boczkowska <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>>
>>> I'm now working on a three-year, grant-funded post-doctoral project on
>>> road movie and travelogue forms in avant-garde and experimental film. Eric,
>>> many thanks for recommending my research!
>>>
>>> Below please find a selection of films that follow and/or ideally
>>> experiment with some of the (mainstream) genre's conventions as proposed by
>>> Laderman and other scholars - just skip the titles that have been already
>>> mentioned. And feel free to contact me off list if you're interested in
>>> the details of my project.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your program,
>>>
>>> Kornelia
>>>
>>>
>>> Highway by Hilary Harris (1958)
>>>
>>> Quixote by Bruce Baillie (1965)
>>>
>>> Mass for the Dakota Sioux by Bruce Baillie (1964)
>>>
>>> Road Film by Standish Lawder (1970)
>>>
>>> Harmonica by Larry Gottheim (1971)
>>>
>>> Pasadena Freeway Stills by Gary Beydler (1974)
>>>
>>> Frame by Ken Kobland (1977)
>>>
>>> Monitoring the Unstable Earth by Michael Wallin (1980)
>>>
>>> Sorted Details by Charles Wright (1980)
>>>
>>> Landscape and Desire by Ken Kobland (1981)
>>>
>>> West by Mark Street (1985)
>>>
>>> Night Highway by Bill Morrison (1990)
>>>
>>> Portland by Greta Snider (1996)
>>>
>>> Desert Abstractions by Jon Behrens (1997)
>>>
>>> Median Strip by James Schneider (1999)
>>>
>>> Stark Film by Eric Patrick (1999)
>>>
>>> Ghost Trip by Bill Morrison (2000)
>>>
>>> Orchard by Julie Murray (2004)
>>>
>>> Down the Road by Walter Ungerer (2005)
>>>
>>> On The Line by Cathy Lee Crane (2010)
>>>
>>> Highway Landscape by J.J. Murphy (1972)
>>>
>>> North On Evers by James Benning (1991)
>>>
>>> Easy Rider by James Benning (2012)
>>>
>>> The Wonder Ring by Stan Brakhage (1955)
>>>
>>> Gnir Rednow by Stan Brakhage (196?)
>>>
>>> Visions in Meditation #2: Mesa Verde by Stan Brakhage (1989)
>>>
>>> Pennsylvania-Chicago-Illinois by Jim Davis (1957-59)
>>>
>>> El Train Film - Second Version by Dominic Angerame (1976)
>>>
>>> Night Train by Guy Sherwin (1979)
>>>
>>> RR by Stan Brakhage(1981)
>>>
>>> Disorient Express by Ken Jacobs (1996)
>>>
>>> The Georgetown Loop by Ken Jacobs (1996)
>>>
>>> Two Roll , Camera Roll by Jon Behrens (2017)
>>>
>>> Cayuga Run by Storm De Hirsch (1967)
>>>
>>> Sphinx on the Seine by Paul Clipson (2009)
>>>
>>> Bridges-Go-Round by Shirley Clarke (1958)
>>>
>>> Night Driving by Mort & Millie Goldsholl (1957)
>>>
>>> San Francisco by Anthony Stern (1968)
>>>
>>> The Movement of Light At Night by Jon Behrens (1996)
>>>
>>> City Walk by Bill Morrison (1999)
>>>
>>> Bicycle by Chuck Hudina (1975)
>>>
>>> Girl and a Bicycle by Jon Behrens (1995)
>>>
>>> I My Bike by Ken Paul Rosenthal (2002)
>>>
>>> Into the Mass (dual projection) by Tomonari Nishikawa (2007)
>>>
>>> A Ticket Home by Dominic Angerame (1982)
>>>
>>> Oasis by James Schneider (1995)
>>>
>>> The Lost Films by Stan Brakhage (1995)
>>>
>>> Tender Feet by Fern Silva (2013)
>>>
>>> A Visit to Indiana by Ted Davis and Curt McDowell (1970)
>>>
>>> Shift by Ernie Gehr (1974)
>>>
>>> Passage by Ernie Gehr (2003)
>>>
>>> Eureka by Ernie Gehr (1979)
>>>
>>> September Express by De Hirsch, Storm (1973)
>>>
>>> The Death Train by Bill Morrison (1993)
>>>
>>> Ordinary Matter by Hollis Frampton (1972)
>>>
>>> Acceleration by Scott Stark (1993)
>>>
>>> Joe Dimaggio 1, 2, 3 by Anne McGuire (1991)
>>>
>>> Runner by Bill Creston (1981)
>>>
>>> Boston elevated by Ralph Thanhauser (1970)
>>>
>>> [42nd St. footage] by Aldo Tambellini (1970)
>>>
>>> Rules of the Road by Su Friedrich (1993)
>>>
>>> Horizons by Larry Gottheim (1973)
>>>
>>> Roam Sweet Home by Ellen Spiro (1996) – a documentary film
>>>
>>>
>>> W dniu 22.07.2019 o 12:50, Bryan Konefsky pisze:
>>>
>>> Hello all, I am in the process of building a program that looks at
>>> automobility and road movies from an experimental perspective... wondering
>>> if anyone has suggestions about artists' films that study this topic...
>>> Titles and links would be preferable and I am open to both historic and
>>> current works - if you have made something along these lines I would be
>>> happy to have the opportunity to view such films/videos as well.
>>>
>>> thanks everyone
>>> Bryan Konefsky
>>> president, Basement Films
>>> founder/director, Experiments in Cinema
>>>
>>> Great art has always gone to the masses, to their hopes and dreams, for
>>> that spark that kindled their souls. The rest, "the many, all too many" as
>>> Nietzsche called mediocrity, have been mere commodities that can be bought
>>> with money, cheap glory, or social position.
>>> - Emma Goldman
>>>
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>>> Department of Studies in Culture
>>> Faculty of English
>>> Adam Mickiewicz University in 
>>> Poznańhttp://wa.amu.edu.pl/wa/boczkowska_korneliahttps://orcid.org/0000-0003-0875-9209
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