On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:47 AM Gleb Popov <arr...@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 2:28 PM Dima Pasechnik <dimpase+free...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 3:25 PM Julian H. Stacey <j...@berklix.com> wrote: >> > >> > FreeBSD Core Team Secretary wrote: >> > > The FreeBSD Core Team is aware of recent controversial statements made >> > > on social media by a FreeBSD developer. We, along with the Code of >> > > Conduct review committee, are investigating the matter and will decide >> > > what action to take. Both the Core Team and the FreeBSD Foundation >> > > would like to make it clear that views shared by individuals represent >> > > neither the Project nor the Foundation. >> > >> > Core@ statements always welcome. >> > >> > But Code of Conduct committee merit no automatic credence since: >> > >> > Code of Conduct aims were cloned from an ultra feminist group of >> > non FreeBSD members, part paid by foundation, then shoved on >> > FreeBSD before discussion, by a voluble few in FreeBSD >> >> The present matter has nothing to do with feminism. > > > I don't see who states that. > >> Anyway, as someone >> who has been chased upon by a gang of youths screaming "zhidovskaya >> morda" ("Jewish snout") (Moscow, USSR, circa 1975, tough >> neighbourhood, and well, I have a Jewish grandmother) I absolutely do >> not appreciate the sort of thoughtless "freedom of speech" blah blah, >> as far as expressions of hate towards particular ethnic groups are . > > > Just wondering how old were you and "haters" were. In my childhood I was > laughed on because having too big ears, another girl - because she was fat, > and another guy - because his dad was an alcoholic. I'd argue that being > bulled by "jewish snout" words instead of "fatty" puts you in some special > position amongst these people and me. > Yes, the phenomenom is bad in its nature, but it is also so common and > insignificant, that IMO it doesn't serve all that fuss.
My CV may be found online at the link after the signature - I am 56 y.o., and I did experience a fair share of state-amplified and condoned antisemitism back in USSR (apart from this incident). There was no state-condoned hate of people with big ears or excessive weight, and this does make quite some difference. As to "it is also so common" --- this is the 1st time in more than 27 years, since I left Moscow, that this topic interferes with my work. While it might be "so common" to you, it does not remove the hate from the hate speech it is. > >> Because they always incite violence. >> And yes, in USSR persons with ethnically Jewish parents had "Jew" >> written in their internal IDs (just like in Nazi Germany). Under this >> commonly accepted definition, saying "I hate Jews", as Mr. Kamp did on >> twitter, is full-blown racism, > > > I'd like to hear how it is "commonly accepted". I don't remember accepting > anything related. Are you trying to tell us that "5th paragraph", ethnicity, never was present in internal USSR passports? Of course it was, and on the basis of this I dare to say that my definition was commonly accepted in the USSR. And in present days Europe "jew" need not refer to a religious affiliation. (about 40% of Israeli citizens describe themselves as secular, by the way). > >> and Mr. Kamp ought to offer an apology >> for this - while he does not do it in >> http://phk.freebsd.dk/sagas/israel/ >> >> While in some jurisdictions hate speech is legally protected, it does >> not take away the hate in hate speech, and people generally don't like >> being hated. Hate originating from a freebsd.* domain is not good for >> the project. > > > freebsd.* domain can be registered by any individual, so hate originating > from such domains can't (well, shouldn't) affect the project in any way. > On the contrary, hate originating from *.freebsd.org, it does affect the > project. Luckily, this is not the case. > >> >> Let me point few things in the latter: >> >> * there is nothing like "the jewish religion" - there is a religion >> called Judaism, as Mr. Kamp ought to understand before >> making statements on these. Everyone can convert to Judaism, by the way. > > > Thanks for valuable information. It is completely off-topic and I doubt > anyone here have any interest in this. As Mr. Kamp's blog post is being discussed here, I felt it might be appropriate to point out why it was an attempt to whitewash hate speech, rather than an explanation of an innocent misunderstanding. Regards, Dima > >> >> * Jews who are not Israeli citizens are about as responsible for >> policies of Israel as descendants of Vikings are responsible for >> policies of Scandinavian states of today. >> >> * I don't know anything about the legal status of the domain >> "freebsd.dk" --- nevertheless I don't think it does do much good to >> the reputation of FreeBSD to have these slightly illiterate writings >> there (although it might be bringing Mr.Kamp lucrative contracts from >> such pillars of democracy and free thought and speech as Saudi Arabia, >> Syria, and Iran :-)) >> >> Best, >> Dima >> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~coml0531/ >> >> >> >> >> > >> > The new CoC terms were hotly disputed. core@ failed to remove it >> > before many tuned out, despairing of the politics [& lack of core@ >> > backbone, probably themselves scared of being labeled anti-whatever], >> > >> > New CoC putch-ists took seats on CoC >> > >> > FreeBSD had a CoC before the putch with the new feminist etc CoC. >> > https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html >> > CoC could be replaced with the old one from SVN, or from >> > >> > https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Julian >> > -- >> > Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Aachen >> > Kent >> > http://stolenvotes.uk Brexit ref. stole votes from 700,000 Brits in EU. >> > Lies bought; Groups fined; 1.9 M young had no vote, 1.3 M old leavers >> > died. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"