Don Lewis wrote:
On 2 Oct, Terry Lambert wrote:

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Actually, write caching is not so much the problem, as the disk
reporting that the write has completed before the contents of
the transaction saved in the write cache have actually been
committed to stable storage.

Unfortunately, IDE disks do not permit disconnected writes, due
to a bug in the original IDE implementation, which has been
carried forward for [insert no good reason here].

Therefore IDE disks almost universally lie to the driver any
time write caching is enabled on an IDE drive.

In most cases, if you use SCSI, the problem will go away.


Nope, they "lie" as well unless you turn of the WCE bit.  Fortunately
with tagged command queuing there is very little performance penalty for
doing this in most cases.  The main exception to this is when you run
newfs which talks to the raw partition and only has one command
outstanding at a time.

Back in the days when our SCSI implementation would spam the console
whenever it reduced the number of tagged openings because the drive
indicated that its queue was full, I'd see the number of tagged openings
stay at 63 if write caching was disabled, but the number would drop
significantly under load (50%?) if write caching was enabled.  I always
suspected that the drive's cache was full of data for write commands
that it had indicated to the host as being complete even though the data
hadn't been written to stable storage.

Unfortunately SCSI drives all seem to ship with the WCE bit set,
probably for "benchmarking" reasons, so I always have to remember to
turn this bit off whenever I install a new drive.

A message from this morning ('file system (UFS2) consistancy after -current crash?') to this list describes exactly the situation on my fileserver a few month ago, except my machine runs with FreeBSD 4-STABLE and has an ICP-Vortex 6528RD controller.

I think, disk's or controllers (short hardware) write cache
is a problem. Maybe it shouldn't be in theory, but it is in
real world :-)

Best regards,
Jens

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