Ade Lovett wrote:
On Mar 09, 2007, at 22:47 , Doug Barton wrote:
On it's face I find the idea of bumping PORTREVISION for every port
that uses libtool in any form a sort of silly proposition. The change
in behavior was introduced in Mk/*, I think it's reasonable to expect
that the fix happen there too.
Ok. Let's take this opportunity right here to take a step back and look
at the rather larger picture.
[ Description of how we got to this point snipped ]
End result, FreeBSD is now considerably more "in-line" with Linux and
pkgsrc with respect to autotools handling. It's by no means perfect,
but it's *a lot* better than it was.
No one is debating that, at least I am certainly not. You've done a
lot of hard work, and I agree that we're better off now than we were
before. In fact, I was one of the people that supported the decision
to install the .la files, so I'm right here with you.
So, seemingly innocuous changes like changing the semantics of what a
well-established port variable like GNU_CONFIGURE has potentially
far-reaching consequences.
No argument there either.
The armchair generals are more than welcome
to debate to their hearts content the idyllic solution, but there are
real-world constraints that prevent such nirvana.
I don't know what the right solution is, so I'm not going to argue
strongly in favor of changing the behavior of GNU_CONFIGURE. However
my gut instinct is that what you're proposing is simply not feasible,
and furthermore I don't think we can wait that long. This problem gets
worse almost every time one of our users updates or installs a port.
As autotools maintainer, I have laid out a potential course of action to
this (as yet unproven) problem
If you don't think the example of mine that you snipped proves that
there is a problem, perhaps you can describe in what way you find it
deficient, and what sort of testing you would consider valid?
it's not related to +REQUIRED_BY, as
already pointed out. Braino on my part, this is compile and run-time
issues, not a ports dependency issue. My apologies.
I think it's both, since there is absolutely no reason that mtr,
xscreensaver, or 3/4 of the other ports that I currently have in
/var/db/pkg/libgpg-error/+REQUIRED_BY should have registered a
dependency on that library, since they don't need or use it.
I don't for one minute pretend to be the absolute authority on
autotools, however I believe that I happen to know a reasonable amount,
resulting from my shepherding of them over the past few years. Of
course, if someone else wants to step up to the plate and continue the
good fight, that's fine by me. Send me your freefall login, and the
ports and infrastructure will be handed over in a heartbeat.
I think you're getting extremely reactionary and defensive here, and
there is no reason for either. No one is attacking you, or your work.
What we are saying is that there _is_ a problem. The exact cause(s)
and solution(s) of the problem may not be known at this time, but it
would be a big help if you could recognize that there is in fact a
problem, and start working with us on a reasonable solution.
Doug
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