fbsd wrote:
Spadge
Your comments are becoming more and more meaningless.
You are no longer contributing to the brainstorming of this thread.
Your attempt to engage a argument have failed.
All posts from you will go unanswered as you are now on my troll
kill list.


*joy*

Agreeing with one suggestion to potentially improve the ports system, whilst not agreeing with every suggestion makes me a troll, just because I take the time to bother replying to your posts? I'll not be making that mistake again later.

The ports system is very dear to me, it's something that I use all the time; 4 years into my experience with FreeBSD and it still impresses me. Does this mean I think it's perfect and can't be improved upon from where it is now? No, of course not. Do I consider myself qualified to suggest overhauling the entire system just because it fails to meet my needs in one respect or another? No, it does not. Do I feel that I should be allowed to voice my opinions in a thread which called for the users of FreeBSD and its ports system to voice their opinions? Certainly, yes I do.

So the People who currently make no packages are now making four of
them, and people running mysql3 are expected to manage on their own,
and
for some reason this reduces the workload? *** quite trying to put
words
in my mouth. You know just as well as I that is not what was said.
******

I was just replying to the words you used, I'm sorry if I missed some meaning or another.

Have you considered PCBSD? They've worked long and hard covering
exactly
this sort of thing, making BSD into a viable graphical
desktop/server
environment, and done more than a great job of it.

For instance ... http://www.pbidir.com/packages.php?code=224
******** I fail to see how this has anything to do with this thread
as covered by the OP. Please stay on topic.  **********


You fail to see how a link to a group that creates and distributes a FreeBSD based system with a different kind of packaging system that has all the (what they consider to be) most popular ports built into easy to get and install packages has anything to do with the original post and the discussion that followed?

OK then. I think that as long as someone relies on other people to compile packages for them, things won't be tailored to meet the needs of that person, specifically where dependency versions and compile-time options are concerned, and that whatever is done to change this it will always remain true for someone, at least. This is specifically what the ports system is great for, and why there is a base make.conf for global make arguments, and something that utilities like portupgrade exist for, to make easier for the user: to allow someone who is installing or updating any software through the ports tree to pick up arguments like WITH_APACHE2, so that their system then doesn't go and try to install apache13 instead or as well because that is listed as the base dependency version in the port.

Now, all that said, have a look at PCBSD's PBI system, it pretty much does what you wanted from the package system from the start. And for those people who don't want to compile their own stuff, but who still want something that isn't quite the default build, there's a request mechanism in place.

If you're referring to "Of course some precautions in counting the
hits to the special purpose FreeBSD website would have to be used
to drop attempts by people trying to manipulate the results in
favor of some particular port." then I fail to see how this
addresses
the problem, other than calling for someone else to come up with an
idea
to fix it.

Needless to say, any mechanism short of manual human intervention is
going to be unreliable and fairly easy to work around, given the
desire
to do so. ****** yes that is the section you cut out to give meaning
to you previous comments. It doesn't take a expert programmer to
write
the simple code to notice a flood of hits from the same ip address
for
the same port within some given elapse time period. *******

And any script kiddie with even a modest botnet could knock up a simple script to throw the figures way out of kilter. Someone with a slightly less modest botnet could have a much larger impact.


I was refraining from attacking people. Also, I feel it is fair to
say
that this thread's history starts somewhere before the start of the
thread. Naturally, you may disagree.

I fully expect to have approximately no reputation on this list to
tarnish or otherwise. I honestly don't think I have said anything
even
remotely memorable yet.
**** That statement is the only memorable thing you have said so
far. LOL *****

Cute.


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Spadge
"Intoccabile"
www.fromley.com
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