On Wednesday 08 August 2007 23:20:28 Goltsios Theodore wrote:
>     Well sorry if  I'm  getting annoying but I think you face the Unix
> world in the wrong manner. Well you expect to find something you are
> used to, or something like MS Win you only know. I advise that you
> should be more open minded, willing to read and spare time to get
> familiar to the Unix OSes that are around. But the advantages are and
> the power that these kind of systems offer, which is probably unlimited
> compared with the Windowz strict and limited way of operating. If you
> really don't want that kind of power (thus doing what you must faster,
> better and in a more efficient way) then you are in the wrong place. A
> good way to start solving all questions concerning the FreeBSD is its
> handbook or the perhaps the FAQ.
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
> PS Try some googling or the freebsd official site for more resources.
> I'm sure all your questions will be satisfied.
> Theodoros Goltsios
> Kinetix Tele.com Support Center
> Tel. & Fax: +30 2310556134
> WWW: http://www.kinetix.gr/
> Latitude wrote:
> > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have
> > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows
> > users of how easy the switch may be.  I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon
> > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument
> > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop
> > users who have previously known only Windows.
> >
> > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a
> > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out
> > what's going on?  Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet
> > connection right off the bat?  How will I migrate files from other
> > operating systems?
> >
> > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem
> > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating
> > systems.  You need to address those concerns head on from the start.  I
> > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives
> > to what I have.
> >
> > Help me (and yourselves) out.
I see where both sides in this argument are coming from.. basically a lack of 
understanding of the others point of view. As a user of multiple operating 
systems..Freebsd, Windows 98, 2000, XP and XP 64, Linux and apple I thought i 
might throw in a remark or two which is intended to help a newcomer to a 
freebsd world.

First lets think of the MS windows user. As a newcomer to a unix OS, such as 
freebsd, you are faced with two very large  sets of challenges or, as I would 
like you to think of it, educational opportunities. 

Because the vendor of the operating system is also the vendor of major 
applications, including its most commonly used browser, office applicatiions 
and compiler systems non-technically minded users do not easily have a clear 
grasp of the distinction between the  roles of  an OS and the role of 
applications. To use any Unix system effectively a clear and reasonably 
detailed understanding of the way applications interact with the operating 
system is essential.  

For its own commercial reasons Microssssoft are keen to blur that distinction 
in the minds of its users to maintain a false notion that only MS windows can 
fulfill its user's needs. 

Secondly because  MS windows operates in a commercial environment it fosters a 
dependency culture in which you pay for your OS, you pay for your 
applications and in return you EXPECT a level of support and therefore users 
are not encouraged to extend their capabilities beyond understanding the 
applications they use. 

In the freebsd world most applications and utilities  are there for installing 
without charge. The users include people who develop and everyone partakes in 
a foem of voluntary mutual support. It is a world in which expectation of 
support is anathema and in which a combination of striving for greater 
personal comeptency and voluntary sharing of knowledge and responsibility is 
the dominant ethos.

So if you plan a move to the unix be ready to learn to build a greater 
understanding of how the operating system works, how applications are 
installed and maintained and above all to realize your basic needs will not 
be fulfilled in the same way as they are fulfilled in MS windows and that 
that you will need to put in a lot of effort to understand how to benefit 
from the much greater opportunities provided by OS's such as Freebsd.

So your first first set of educational opportunities are to learn how 
reconstruct your expectations and to construct a set of relationships that 
will work for you in a unix world. 

The second set of educational opportunities are to study the practicalities. 
You need to decide the basic things you need to get on board freebsd. You 
need a browser.. that is no problem there are many to choose from .. you need 
office tools well there is a complete office suite. Whatever you need there 
will be a tool for you and the choices are a rich but usually free!!. The 
draw back is being faced with the challenge of learning how to choose.

That is daunting challenge and those of us who are familiar with unix system, 
and accustomed to communicating with other freebsd users, are often guilty of 
failing to understand that people who come from an MS Windows find the terse 
ways in which we tend to communicate to be abrasive.

My suggestion to you would be to proceed without risk. Dabble with freebsd 
alongside your MSWindows system until you reach the point at which you are 
ready or not (as the case may be) to change over completely. You do not need 
the latest hardware to get started. Freebsd is much less bloated and, in that 
respect, more efficient than MS windows. Follow the instructions and play  
with the system and see where you want to go with it. Like countries all IT 
systems and applications have their own language.  MS windows has its own 
language !! Every territory has a language needed to discuss its inhabitants 
understandings. If you use the pejorative term jargon to describe a language 
you will need to learn you will never learn to adjust. I recomend you treat 
this adjustment process is an educational opportunity.  

If you are not willing to learn the words that describe how a world that is 
new to you functions then, like a immigrant in a foreign land, you will not 
feel you understand either the practical systems or the cultiure of your 

You will not find anyone here wanting to sell you the system!! The unix world 
does not work like that. Those of us who have used unix since before MSDos 
was developed do not easily realize just how difficult the adjustment can be 
for those whose experience is limited to MS windows. Forgive us if we seem 
terse or harsh at times. Our tendency is to indicate resources and trust that 
others will put in the effort to use those resources to solve their problems. 
That is because we have learned that way ourselves and trust the process. The 
adjustment to this way of thinking is not an easy path for newcomers.

Good luck 


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