I reckon the last two additions to this thread was the passive-aggressive version of "can't we just all get along.. and now STFU".
Look, Ted's right (ouch, that hurt ;-). Quite often -- arguably always -- if you really want to be heard you have to be able to confront controversial issues head on and tell it like it is (ok, or rather how you think/feel/know it is). If you're on the other side of such an issue, it's easy to publicly nod and safely join the herd, but it's much harder to go against the grain. It's not called 'against the grain' for nothing. And though I not always (probably mostly not) agree with Ted, I for one respect such a personality trait. It's easy to be a yes-man, it's much harder to be a no-man. But if you believe in certain things or find that you have gathered adequate evidence to support a different opinion, it's a good thing to have the balls to say so. Nice form and good manners are valuable, but if only used in order to maintain status quo they're merely shields for the "yes-men". Besides, I'm of the persuasion that thinks that a good flamewar now and than isn't that bad, it's probably more harmful if the environment is such that any strong resentment cannot be expressed without some form of repraisal (sp?). Once you find yourself in such an environment it's do or die and you bet that folks are going to leave eventually. For that reason alone, I believe that the FreeBSD community actually needs people that tend to go against the grain from time to time. It's a healthy thing. Now to get back to the subject, what I don't understand is how OP thinks that [k]ubuntu would not need tinkering time. It's quite possible that a generic debian or arch install requires less tinkering to get it to behave the way you want (perhaps initially some more, but not after). Why not buy one of those gorgeous new imacs or a Mac lappy and be done with it, while still being able to do a lot of hacking if you really want to? From what I've read OSX is a great development system. Cheers, Dan _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
