On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Frank Shute <fr...@shute.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 +0000 > > Frank Shute <fr...@shute.org.uk> wrote: > > > > >On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >> > > >> >It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple > > >> >of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I > > >> >love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the > > >> >developers have done an excellent job > > >> > > >> of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. > > > > > >No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got > > >things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and > > >purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. > > > > Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for > > the information. > > Four of what? > > Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the > info locally? Want to download the Internet? Ok, as soon as 5 minutes pass from the download, your copy is old. > I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install > cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and > undocumented. > > > MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. > I can see that perception. Depends on where you look though. Limiting yourself to one source (google) or another (MSDN) isn't wise, because google will give you real-world experience and help, whereas MSDN is documented as it SHOULD operate and RECOMMENDED practices. > Are you being sarcastic? > I'm not. > Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? > Write one, publish it. > You can read the source can you? I can't. > > Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be > scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're > looking for at all. > Because not a single admin works the same as the next. People with Windows mindset will work in one way, people with Linux mindset will work another, and people with OS X mindset will work in a 3rd way, all unique.so > > What is it you are looking for? > > Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are > some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they > are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a > limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the > Vista Explorer replacement. > Useless insults aside, there is a difference in the help systems for the desktop systems, versus the server systems. 2008 is a good mix, although it's not unix. OS X 10.5, Leopard is certified unix, and still doesn't feel as natural (or useful) as BSD or Linux does. If you want to know why, let me know. > Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some > documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the > commands it supports. It doesn't. > manpages aren't an Internet thing. It's not an RFC standard. MS Windows has command line help, you use /? that works for most apps. cmd /? > I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use > to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a > bonus too. > I see the sense in C:\Users I see the sense in C:\Documents and Settings I see the sense in C:\WINDOWS I see the sense in using CMD.exe -- after all, the dos box has been around forever An editor better than Notepad? MS Write. And then MS Office/Word, then OpenOffice. Somewhere there's Abiwrite. Of all these 5, only one is commercial software. > Extensive documentation on the machine is a must. > Nope. That's a personal belief, one that isn't a "must". You're imagining things on that. > I've searched on google for documentation on the powershell to no > avail. All the docs as such seem to be available if you are a member > of MSDN - I presume so anyway, but for the general public they don't > seem to be readily available. > PowerShell is still "new".. If you want documentation, MS Press makes a windows 2008 resource kit including a book called 'Windows PowerShell Scripting Guide' that's over 600 pages. Not all resources have to be google-able. Spend a few bucks and buy something that'll help you... it'll benefit you too. > In short, I gave Vista a decent shot (I quite like XP) but it was like > wading through treacle and I thought that if I am to get the best out > of it, I'm probably going to have to sign up for MSDN and download > vast amounts of "missing" software and spend inordinate amounts of > time on google. > Books. Or get something like a Safari Books Online subscription and then start reading the info online... same books, online. Save a tree. > The cost and time benefits didn't seem worth it since I'm quite happy > with FreeBSD and there's only one Windows only application that I use: > AutoCAD; for that I maintain an XP installation. > > Staying on topic, my advice to the original poster is to dump Windows > and use FreeBSD - it's better documented and you can either use WINE > to run your "must have" Windows programs or have a separate Windows > partition. With a bit of luck your Windows "must haves" will eventually > have unix replacements. > On-topic? HAH! You went off the deep end. And Wine doesn't work for when you need NT Services and/or dependencies (such as .NET) -- at least, didn't for me. And I am flaming you, personally. I understood lots of this was personal views and I offered my personal views as well. So fan the flame if you want. I've said my peice and now you can ignore me if you'd like. --TJ _______________________________________________ firstname.lastname@example.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"