Hi Robinson.
Speaking of the license, where did you find the license listed? I looked over the site, but didn't find any mention of license for the media files.
It's specified at the end of the video, in the latest seconds which, in fact, I wanted to preserve.
If there was any doubt left in our minds, the language that one "must not distort [or] modify" seems to pretty much sum up that this clip may not be shortened (except, of course, in Fair Use/Fair Dealings situations).
And Fair Use is only valid in the USA AFAIK :-/
I'd try contacting the CCC and ask them if you may use the video (or at least that subsection of the video) under a more permissive license. I'd suggest CC-BY-SA 3.0 (or whatever version of the licenses they're up to now).
That's what I will do, I don't think they will have any objection to it Thanks a lot for your quick answer and legal analysis. Pablo. On 03/13/2011 06:30 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote:
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Pablo Castellano<[email protected]> wrote:Hello. I'm forwarding the message I sent yesterday to the freedombox i18n mailing list, since maybe people subscribed there aren't too much into licenses.:-) (we'll do our best; I'll also hop on the i18n mailing list)Maybe someone here can answer me about these license doubts. The video is ready for upload, if everything is fine. Thanks! Pablo.The no-derivs part of the CC by-nc-nd license does appear to prohibit both shortening a video as well as transcribing/translating the audio. Speaking of the license, where did you find the license listed? I looked over the site, but didn't find any mention of license for the media files. To pick a version, here's the legal text for CC by-nc-nd 3.0: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/legalcode Here's the specific text it says about "Adaptation": "Adaptation" means a work based upon the Work, or upon the Work and other pre-existing works, such as a translation, adaptation, derivative work, ... and include ...any other form in which the Work may be recast, transformed, or adapted including in any form recognizably derived from the original, except that a work that constitutes a Collection will not be considered an Adaptation for the purpose of this License. It seems pretty clear that the license is hostile to translations or subtitles. The license offers more clarity on what is prohibited in this later section: "...if You Reproduce, Distribute or Publicly Perform the Work either by itself or as part of any Collections, You must not distort, mutilate, modify or take other derogatory action in relation to the Work which would be prejudicial to the Original Author's honor or reputation. If there was any doubt left in our minds, the language that one "must not distort [or] modify" seems to pretty much sum up that this clip may not be shortened (except, of course, in Fair Use/Fair Dealings situations). tl;dr: IMHO, the license prohibits the videos being cut, improved, subtitled, etc., but at least we can distribute them. But don't give up! I'd try contacting the CCC and ask them if you may use the video (or at least that subsection of the video) under a more permissive license. I'd suggest CC-BY-SA 3.0 (or whatever version of the licenses they're up to now). Cheers, -- R-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Another freedombox talk to translate (Arthur Lutz - 27c3) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:06:29 +0100 From: Pablo Castellano<[email protected]> To: [email protected] Hi. In the 27th Chaos Communication Congress (27c3), Arthur Lutz presented Freedombox in a lightning talk[0]. The video is available here[1] and has license CC by-nc-nd. I have cut the video just to have the part of the freedombox talk, which happens from minute 10 to minute 16 approximately. In order to add context to the freedombox talk video I have added the same beginning and the same ending as the full video[1] has (some seconds at the beginning and at the end showing that it happened in the 27c3). I was doing it to upload it somewhere and ease the task of translating it. After that, a doubt has arisen to me about the license: From [2]: "NoDerivatives. You let people copy, distribute, display, and perform only verbatim copies of your work — not make derivative works based on it. If they want to alter, transform, build upon, or remix your work, they must contact you for permission." Is it considered a derivative work (not allowed by the license)? In case I didn't join the beginning and the ending parts. Is partial reproduction considered a derivative work too? Regards, Pablo. [0] http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/ Lightning_Talks#Day_2:_Saal_3 [1] http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2010/ 27c3-4296-en-lightning_days_d2.html [2] http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_are_the_terms_of_a_Creative_Commons_license.3F _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss
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