On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Neophyte Representative <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Jonas Smedegaard - [email protected] wrote: >> On 11-06-22 at 04:43pm, Neophyte Representative wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Jonas Smedegaard - [email protected] wrote: >>> > So due to violent regimes killing Karlas, you suggest we do not >>> > label a box helping Joannas making a silverlining of the cloud as >>> > "FreedomBox"? >>> > >>> >>> Yes. >>> >>> I don't take The Ultimate Sacrifice lightly. I'd MUCH prefer we have >>> those folks alive to help make progress. >> >> How? By putting not yet stable stuff into early releases of FreedomBox? > > I agree the ultimate extension of my logic is that only extremely > tested, stable components should be advertised as FreedomBox > components. Given my understanding of The Ultimate Sacrifice, I > believe we owe Freedom Fighters nothing less. > > What, Jonas, do you understand the phrase "The Ultimate Sacrifice" > means? Do you understand any responsibility for allowing a false > sense of anonymity? >
First my apology for raising the heat in this discussion without adding to the light. In subjects where I invest my passion, I have found I need to avoid face-to-face communication because I cease to think clearly. It has been obvious to me for some time that telephone conversations and Internet Relay Chats suffer from the same effect. I guess even the delays inherent in email are insufficient to keep my thoughts well structured. As you can see I have some fears for the some of the participants in this enterprise. Let me now propose a scenario that better addresses those fears. Make FreedomBox a brand. We need to work on the many components that can be used in A FreedomBox. We need to do that in a manner that allows thoughtful self-education about the risks and thorough testing against well documented test packages to occur. If, instead of a downloadable FreedomBox image, we offer a Branding of components, we can work on each component within the facilities of the Debian project without making it look like a thoughtless download implements full anonymity. This way Joanna gets to use a Debian release with the quality implications of such an improved product, but Karla learns there is much to consider about using her download as a weapon in a serious fight by following the discussions of the improvements of the Debian components. I think that addresses my fears and hope it adds some enlightenment to the project. _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss
