Are Tom's reply supposed to be of any use ?! I don't get the point of it, sorry.
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 13:39:51 +0200
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FW: FreeDOS compatibility issue according to
> Asus
>
> > So... in this motherboard there's no DOS at all...
>
> there is no ANYDOS in any motherboard on this planet.
>
>
> > does anybody
> > know how I could check for sure whether FreeDOS is in Asus actual laptops
> > or not ?
>
> take your favorite disk editor (HxD) and search the disk for 'FreeDOS'
>
>
> > All of you, when you use FreeDOS, how do you "see" it is FreeDOS
> > and not another DOS that is running, how do you see the version number ?
>
> are you joking?
>
> please keep us informed about your legal efforts and results, but
> otherwise end this thread.
>
> Tom
>
>
> > I begin to wonder if it really is in those laptops or the Asus
> > representative who put the blame on it just knew about old
> > motherboards (the same way they sent us an EeePC procedure to update the
> > BIOS).
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 08:49:45 +0200
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FW: FreeDOS compatibility issue according to
> > Asus
>
>
> > I was just installing my new computer with ASUS motherboard and I
> > came across the following page:
> > http://www.manualslib.com/manual/806097/Asus-B85-Pro-Gamer.html?page=40#manual.
>
>
>
> > Unless I am reading this correctly, the FreeDOS is on the USB flash
> > drive (which you have to obtain seperately) and that contains a DOS
> > program to update the BIOS, called bupdater. So there is not even a DOS
> > inside the ROM.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Van: "Teddy T." <[email protected]>
> > Aan: "Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers."
> > <[email protected]>
> > Verzonden: Dinsdag 31 maart 2015 01:18:11
> > Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FW: FreeDOS compatibility issue according to
> > Asus
>
>
>
> > Eric,
> > Thanks for helping, saying in a few words what I sometimes need
> > several sentences to try to explain.
> > Yes I'm now convinced by our discussion that there's no chance
> > FreeDOS could be related to this issue and Asus just tried to get
> > rid of us blaming FreeDOS... and it would be "funny" to find-out
> > that Asus laptops don't use FreeDOS ! By the way do you have any
> > idea how we could check if yes or no FreeDOS is in our Asus laptops
> > ? Any command like "winver" to check what DOS is installed ?
> > Today I went back to the shop where I bought the computer, we
> > tested other Asus models and they all have the same problem (but
> > Acer, HP and Lenovo work fine). I also realised that the problem
> > happens if boot 1 is the second (empty) HDD instead of the ODD, it's
> > unable tu use more than 1 boot option, no matter what it is.
> > In fact we can force them, we do have the right to, we just need to
> > prove the error is their fault and not anybody else's. There're not
> > really allowed to propose a non working feature, in this case they
> > should have removed it totally (it happens, like when they remove
> > fan or CPU settings), or they are responsible to make it work fine.
> > What force companies to do it is usually the number of customers
> > complaining. "Unity is strength".
> > I must admit I don't really know the real differences between BIOS
> > and UEFI, all I know is that UEFI have very few options and settings
> > compared to the old BIOS I'm used to, but that's all.
>
>
> > Jeremy,
> > What is the model of your motherboard ? Do you also know the model
> > and version of the BIOS it uses ? Maybe we could ask Asus to
> > consider using this one to correct it's laptops' BIOS to make the boot
> > options work again. Maybe...
>
>
> > Rugxulo,
> > Do you show yourself so unrespectfull and misconsidering on purpose
> > ? How is whatever you say related to our request or even helping ?!
> > These updates are older than our BIOS, and as you can see they are not
> > related to boot problems.
> > How to check if FreeDOS is installed on a PC ? Well it's very
> > likely simple for someone who uses it (we don't) because it's
> > probably the "standard" same way to check it on any PC from any
> > brand. How do you know about yours for example ?
>
>
> > I've been testing several other Asus models in shops today : they
> > all use the same crap/fake BIOS, and boot is very likely the top
> > number 1 important option for a PC to work properly, don't you agree
> > ? Do you think that someone implementing X features shouldn't test
> > all of them ? Isn't it what people in FreeDOS project do ? I believe
> > you all there are less lazy as those at Asus and dev participating
> > to FreeDOS project know what they're doing.
>
>
> > Court here use to condemn many big companies when sued by group of
> > customers and often have to pay thousands of dollars for refund and
> > compensation. In our case Asus still has the choice: either they
> > give us a patch, or we'll sue them for as much as we could and will
> > do our best for its market to collapse in our country, the same way
> > we got rid of several other dishonest companies in the past. Let's
> > hope for them they are more clever than that.
> > So far I convinced 2 shops to reconsider selling Asus laptops (and
> > many customers, as i'm an IT) showing them this problem and a few
> > others. I'll visit 2-3 other shops tomorrow (I don't know about
> > other customers in other cities, some already went back to where
> > they bought their laptops at least).
>
>
> > You don't really understand what "designed for Windows" means,
> > right ? It's a software statement, not an hardware one, I'm sure you
> > can make the difference. Just don't forget it's supposed to be a PC, not a
> > Mac or a Playstation.
> > And as you said yourself there are already 5 bios available on Asus
> > support (for 2 different models, you must have noticed it) so you
> > should reconsider your definition of "geek" and "customer", more
> > again when one of those updates is just related to the USB power
> > port dedicated to charge smartphones (that's so much more important than
> > boot devices).
>
>
> > Seriously, don't waste your time replying if it's not to help. What
> > you write is just considering us as idiot not knowing what a
> > computer is, what a company does and what customers have the right
> > to expect or not. You may accept whatever happens to you, we don't.
> > I also don't have much time to help you read properly what I write
> > when everybody else can understand (even if I surely not write
> > perfectly english). My question was very simple, I don't care about
> > any debate, even less if you're not an Asus representative, and here
> > it is again : Asus blame on FreeDOS for this problem > may FreeDOS
> > be responsible of a PC not being able to use several boot options >
> > if yes what can be done from FreeDOS (considering Asus doesn't care)
> > > if no then Asus is crap, should be avoided and we'll make sure it
> > looses a lot for misconsidering its customers. That's all.
>
>
> > For everybody :
> > Today when I went to the shop, they had other new Asus computers of
> > several models. All of them suffered the same problem, no matter they had
> > SSD, HDD, ODD, etc.
> > We could confirm that no matter what is boot option 1, it will
> > never check boot option 2, 3, etc. We also realised that the BIOS
> > inside of several machines had really not been designed for it,
> > didn't show the right model name and didn't even recognised the hardware
> > properly !
> > For example in the model I have it finds Windows SSD on boot and
> > another "CD/DVD" that doesn't exist (this model's ODD is named
> > "MATSHITADVD"). When we enter the Setup/BIOS, we can see the two of
> > them, but as soon as we quit (without modifying anything and without
> > saving) it automatically deletes this "CD/DVD".
> > It also shows only one SSD whereas the computer also has a HDD...
> > that won't be visible until its partitions are deleted and
> > recreated, then only it will be visible in the BIOS.
>
>
> > Anyway considering FreeDOS can't be the cause of Asus BIOS issues,
> > we'll turn back to shop technicians to take care of the laptops and
> > legals to take care of the next steps.
> > Thank you all for your answers that helped me understand a bit more about
> > FreeDOS.
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 16:40:11 -0400
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FW: FreeDOS compatibility issue according to
> > Asus
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 2015 2:56 PM, "Eric Auer" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > ...
> >>
> >> PPS: Can anybody check if similar "Asuses" have the same issue?
> > ...
>
> > I have never had a problem with this for any of my Asus
> > motherboards; I have had several through the years. I once had an
> > issue booting a nonstandard bootdisk but I don't recall the
> > manufacturer of that motherboard. Even my latest UEFI one works,
> > but I have only used their motherboards, not any of the other
> > devices branded by them. I have had to download BIOS updates from
> > TW not US site to get latest version. I mention this as usually I
> > use ASUS motherboard based computers for my physical testing; my
> > older computers are no longer easy to use so I usually use VMs now.
>
> > Jeremy
>
>
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