On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 15:23, tom ehlert <t...@drivesnapshot.de> wrote: > > this argument is nonsense. many/most people don't care about the 'open source' > part as long as it's free.
I disagree. I think it's perfectly fair to say "FreeDOS does not support MS Windows" and end it there. > most care more if this OS supports big disks or much memory. Not related to the above point. > after all, an OS is not an end target: > people need the OS to run their applications like > > 1. Play classic DOS games. DOSbox covers this, easier and better. > 2. Run legacy software. DOSbox covers this, easier and with *much* better integration. > 3. Develop embedded systems. Not sure that's important in 2023. Any citations? > none of this is open source. This is false. Many games and a whole assortment of productivity apps are either FOSS or freeware. Here is a site dedicated to that: https://clasqm.github.io/freedos-repo/ > I can't see many users to reprogram their motherboard (even if it > would be supported) just to play a casual round of Doom or > Wolfenstein. You misunderstand me so totally that I find it hard to imagine that this is not intentional. I am talking about a UEFI bootloader *which includes BIOS emulation* using this existing FOSS BIOS. I am not talking about reprogramming anyone's computers. > whatever EMM386 and friends was and is, it is definitively not what > people think when they hear 'DOS VM'. you are abusing words to make a > point. not good. I don't really care. I am talking about how existing DOS 386 memory managers have worked for 35+ years now. The 80386 has hardware support for multiple concurrent DOS VMs. This is called V86 mode. How *ALL* DOS 386 memory managers work is using this features. We cannot change the historical language now. > and would be so completely useless that it hurts. > > no network card. Yep. This is DOS on 202x hardware. Networking won't work. Other OSes cover that. > no mouse. Probably yes, but emulation is possible. > no USB devices. Probably yes. DOS is the wrong OS if you want to use USB. > (no memory at b8000 or a0000)? Sorted out by the memory manager. > no sound. Yep. I don't think any modern sound card will work. We are talking about a 1990s OS on 2020s hardware. > nothing with interrupts. The memory manager needs to map the lower 8 or 16 of them, and the rest are for hardware unsupported by DOS anyway. > congratulations. You are blaming me for the fact that DOS can't support 202x computers? I do not understand your thought processes or reasoning at all, and it seems to me that you do not understand mine. > actually still is; however you need a 32 bit installation of windows. I know. I am a professional in this field and have been since 1988. Please do me the courtesy of imagining that I know what I am talking about. > certainly good enough to Run legacy software. playing games very much > depends on the game. That use case is already covered and so is irrelevant to this discussion, which I remind you is about how to boot DOS on a UEFI computer. You seem to have forgotten this. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 _______________________________________________ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
