Hi,
forgot to report the following message with the Bonus CD:
fdimples shows that fbc_help in section development is / will not be installed.
It exits with an error message:
It exits with an error message:
"Package contains a file that already exists locally:
c:\devel\fbc\lfnfiles.zip.
So fdimples shows the missing packet at the next start again.
b) I will send country-fixed from Laaca to you with an extra mail. Thx, Laaca!
rcal: So it was intention not to add a folder "rcal"? Looks a little bit strange, but OK.
Willi
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2024 at 1:14 AM
From: "Jerome Shidel via Freedos-devel" <freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
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Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2411
From: "Jerome Shidel via Freedos-devel" <freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: "Jerome Shidel" <jer...@shidel.net>
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2411
hi
On Nov 2, 2024, at 3:29 PM, Fritz Mueller via Freedos-devel <freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
Hi Jerome, hi all,thx for this great job! I always admire these FDT versions!Every month you update several commands / files!Some minor important hints for the next FDT (you already know most of them):a) bladeenc 0.94.1 is installed, but "fnpkgk checkupdates" finds 0.94.1a and downloads and"updates" it with "fdnpkg install bladeenc".
The files are identical, except cwsdpmi, which is NOT delivered with the update but with the CD.
This is regarding the Download/Update Repository. See below.
b) As already reported: country.sys has a bug with CP 858 and country 49. I have a workingcountry.sys + asm file from Laaca (thank you very much!) but I fear Jerome will not accept it forcommon usage.
?
b) rcal has no own folder "rcal" at C:\util. There are only the two files at C:\util. Please do not forget to change
the link at c:\freedos\links\rcal.com in case that you change this.
Perhaps it should be moved into a sub-directory and have its Batch Link file updated.
d) If you run "fdnpkg install compute" only THREE NLS files will be installed, CZ,EN,RU, although there
are much more at Shidel's NLS Website.
First, COMPUTE is not included in the release. It is currently an online only package.
It is a bad idea to update packages and not update the package version for several.
The primary reason is version identification.
If a user already has a package installed and browses the HTML version of the Update Repository, they will see the version number and assume it has not been updated.
Running FDNPKG to update the package will also not work directly. It will see that the version number is the same and also assume it does not require an update.
The Repository itself should actually accept the package update because they are not actually identical. However, it becomes confusing for us humans when managing stuff.
From the management standpoint, there are two possibilities.
One… pull the existing package and replace it with the updated package. This is not a good solution because humans and software will not recognize it as an update. This is a long standing known problem. It is one of the primary reasons the Repository Management Utilities insert a Modified-Date field into the package metadata when added to a repo the first time. The intent being that the field will be used instead of the Version field for detecting and determining what gets updated. But, that is in the future at some much later time.
Second, is to artificially bump the package number. Like BladeEnc 0.94.1 to 0.94.1a. But, this is also less than ideal. This was done to a lot of packages a long while back when numerous NLS updates was provided. It caused some confusion. So, Many of such had the version numbers restored to the actual program version when we started staging packages on GitLab. But, not all. Or, not in both locations. It is a very tedious and time consuming process to pull and replace packages in the download/update repositories. But simple to bump the version of a modified package.
Bumping the version also comes with other issues. One of which is version numbering conflicts. For example, what if tomorrow there is a real bug fix update for BladeEnc that is version 0.94.1a.
Like I said, there are good solutions planned. But, they will take a time fully roll out.
Also, we are coming up on releasing FreeDOS 1.4 in the near future. Before that happens, a new 1.4 Download/Update repository will be created and config files provided in the release will be pointed at that repo. The repo will start with the package versions available on GitLab at release time.
The 1.4 repo will probably be created and configuration adjustments sometime in the next few days. T2412 will point to the new repo.
e) A full installation with all programming tools requires in about 650 - 700 MB on a HD. The standard
HD size is 500 MB. So either the programming files should be reduced in size for more than
150 MB or the HD size should be updated. Reason: Some People like it "to install simply everything"
and are then shocked to see that the HD is too small..I am not sure if Erics proposals are enough to reduce the full Installation to 500 MB. So there shouldbe a discussion if the size of the installation partition could be expanded (at least at the versionsthat support the Bonus CD).
Per the generated report and readme, a full install requires 325Mib. Full with sources requires 500Mib. Packages on the BonusCD are bonus packages and are not included in that size requirement calculations.
Possibly the Readme could be updated to say something like “Installing packages from the BonusCD could require up to an additional 1Gib of storage space.”
I don’t know where you got the “500 Gib is Standard” for an installation.
Fritz / Willi
Jerome
_______________________________________________Sent: Friday, November 01, 2024 at 12:37 PM
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Cc: jer...@shidel.net
Subject: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2411The FreeDOS Interim Test Build T2411 for November is now available for download at:Besides all of the messages I sent to the Devel Mailing list regarding changes that were coming in T2411, there were some package updates as well.:-)2024-10-29 15:27:01 project_FDI [unstable] (Shidel): added line break before CD Status message2024-10-29 05:30:20 project_FDI [unstable] (Shidel): package group migration2024-10-28 13:28:17 sqlite (Shidel): updated to v3.46.1r12024-10-28 12:34:19 project_FD-NLS (Shidel): FDIMPLES: Two new group names2024-10-28 12:21:06 fdimples (Shidel): Added 2 new Long Package Group Names to NLS2024-10-28 07:49:40 project_RBE (Shidel): package group migration2024-10-28 07:33:03 project_FDI-x86 [unstable] (Shidel): package group migration2024-10-28 07:31:30 format [unstable] (Shidel): Format NLS is compile time, not runtime2024-10-27 15:57:56 project_RBE (Shidel): Include BonusCD on FullUSB2024-10-27 15:49:13 project_FDI [unstable] (Shidel): Config changes, increase FullUSB to 1 Gib2024-10-26 22:26:26 mtcp (Shidel): Include copy of License in project root2024-10-26 22:19:39 mtcp (Shidel): Updated to v2024-10-20, without HTTPSERV or NetDrive2024-10-26 15:58:50 project_FD-NLS (Shidel): from W.Spiegl2024-10-26 15:21:53 wde (Shidel): Updated to v1.12024-10-26 14:38:58 format [unstable] (Shidel): Updated to 0.92a (pre-release)2024-10-26 06:56:28 project_FD-NLS (Shidel): update from W.Spiegl2024-10-26 05:57:23 htmlhelp [unstable] (Shidel): Turkish NLS codepage correction2024-10-26 04:11:47 freedoom (Shidel): WADs updated to v0.13.02024-10-25 15:23:29 project_FD-NLS (Shidel): report update2024-10-25 14:55:04 project_FD-NLS (Shidel): from W.Spiegl2024-10-02 15:21:35 gopherus (shidel): adjusted LINKS file2024-10-02 12:50:51 rcal [unstable] (Paul Dufresne): fix link rcal.bat to be on UTIL\RCAL.COM rather than UTIL\RCAL\RCAL.EXE2024-10-01 13:08:21 project_FDI [unstable] (shidel): add kittenc to BonusCD2024-10-01 11:09:40 utf8tocp (shidel): corrected LINK file2024-10-01 11:08:04 picosntp (shidel): removed LINK file2024-10-01 11:02:31 lame (shidel): removed LINK file2024-10-01 01:24:05 fdimples (shidel): update for finding new BonusCDJerome_______________________________________________ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
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