On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 3:46 PM Eric Auer via Freedos-devel <freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > I have probably made those suggestions before. > What are your thoughts/votes on the following?
Yes, you have asked about these before. We discussed these on the email list months ago. > > - keep FDTUI in APPS, or move to GUI The discussion right now is to drop FDTUI entirely, not move it to a different package group. (Also, FDTUI is not a GUI, so it doesn't belong in "GUI" anyway.) But I infer from your email that your vote is "-1 (no)" on dropping FDTUI. > > - move BOOTFIX to BOOT The package description is "Bootfix is a boot sector repair tool" so I'm okay moving this to "BOOT" if it's not a problem for Jerome to move it. (If it's a problem to do so, then let's leave it where it is for FreeDOS 1.4.) > - add METAKERN to BOOT Metakern is a boot selector that lets you select a different DOS or Windows kernel. I don't see "Metakern" on either the FreeDOS 1.3 report or the RC1 report, which suggests it's not part of FreeDOS 1.3 either. (links below) Didn't we decide to drop Metakern from the distribution a long time ago, at the same time that we decided to drop Grub2? Are you suggesting we re-add it? https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.3/official/report.html https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/test/report.html > - rename SYSLNX to SYSLINUX This is the Syslinux bootloader collection, and I doubt it is used by many people. I think I'd rather not have us go through this change for the one or two people in the world who need it, when those people also know how to find it as Syslnx. > - move CDROM2UI to SOUND This tool's description is "A small tool to eject, close_track, lock, unlock or reset any CD-ROM, selected by the drive letter." Does this tool also play music? Why move it to "SOUND"? > - add DPMIONE to TOOLS (CWSDPMI already is there) I don't see this in the RC1 report. Are you suggesting adding this package? > - move EDIT to Install (size as NET and more useful) > > - move DISK to Install (total size is only 4.3 MB) We discussed "EDIT" and "DISK" months ago and I still think these are better suited for the BonusCD. I don't imagine people will want to install any of the editors unless they are also doing more advanced stuff like writing programs, and "DEVEL" is also on the BonusCD anyway. The "DISK" group has programs that most users will not use anyway like Raread and Zerofill, so keeping them on the BonusCD is a good place to put them. > Move the following to TOOLS, or all of UTIL to Install: [..] We discussed these months ago, I don't know why we would move them around now when we are about to go forward with RC2 and then FreeDOS 1.4. > It is a bit unfortunate that GAMES and DEVEL are > both too large, so we had to push one to Bonus. > > Usefulness here depends a lot on target audience. > Few games, debuggers, asm and compilers are small. Yes, but with the space limitation, I think dividing the development stuff (compilers, etc) and other more "advanced" tools to be on the 2nd CD ("BonusCD") is a good compromise. With what we had decided to have on the 1st CD ("LiveCD") means that when you do a "Full installation with application and games" (menu action in the installer) you get all of "Base" (the core parts of DOS) plus "Applications" (like DN2 and FDIMPLES), "Archivers" (like zip and arj), "Drivers" (like doslfn and sbemu), "Games" (like Wing and Bolitaire), "Networking" (to get online) plus a few cool extras like "Tools" (which are mostly to support the installation process) and "Unix" (for Linux-like commands). The 2nd CD ("BonusCD") has the stuff that more "expert" users will care about: "Boot tools" (syslinux), "Development" (compilers and assemblers), "Disk utilities" (like Raread and Zerofill), "Editors" (like vim and fed) and the extra utilities ("Utilities" group). If you want to make a case to move things around, bring it up again when we discuss "FreeDOS 2.0" (after the new kernel is available). We've "pushed" conversations about other package cleanup to "2.0" so I think this can wait until then too. _______________________________________________ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
