On 2014-02-26 18:07 (GMT-0600) Rugxulo composed: > Felix Miata wrote:
>> Dec 31 2011 readme.txt on the 1.1 iso says to get a bootable floppy image >> download >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/fdos1440.img >> It generates a 404. What is a URL that works? > I don't know. I don't remember seeing any such image in 1.1. At least, > I never used one, and I don't see it locally here (laptop's subdir, > "..\freedos\1.1"). You'll presumably have to use an older floppy > image, e.g. from "../unofficial" . >> http://www.freedos.org/download/ has no link I can find for a 1.1 floppy >> image. > Floppies aren't exactly popular anymore. So there isn't much incentive > for most people to care. Most machines don't come with floppy drives > anymore. Most new machines don't, but the world does not lose an old machine for every new machine produced. WRT DOS especially, old machines remain viable much longer than average. >> Is there something on the CD iso that can make a bootable 1.1 floppy without >> having to burn and boot the CD iso? > A simple floppy image wouldn't be hard to make If it was easy to make, I wouldn't have asked. I've found few installation programs more irritating than that of FreeDOS. Every time I wanted a simple bootable floppy or HD instance had to go through a frustrating and tedious selection process to avoid bloat to get it "installed" to a HD before I could produce a simple bootable instance on a floppy from which I could ... > but what would you do with it? e.g. FORMAT /S a new HD's new FAT partition (to ensure all the essential hardware and BIOS work as expected), or toggle the boot flag from partition 1 to partition 2 with *FDISK when I need it switched back where it was to start with after a Windows installer moved it. When troubleshooting a system with cover(s) off, laying on its side to access its innards, usually the OM drive is poised to drop the CD on the floor at every opportunity, while a floppy will hang tight in its slot after the eject button is pushed. And of course one *still* on occasion encounters BIOS updates that only work by first booting something, and that something is still often, as it used to be always, DOS. Forget about selling me on USB. They aren't big enough to write anything useful on about what they contain or their purpose, and they don't have a standardized size and shape that lends itself to organized storage. To boot USB here usually requires at least fiddling with the BIOS first, and again after, assuming the hardware is new enough to support it. Floppies may not be the most reliable of hardware, but they don't scratch, and they have a respectable writing surface that can accept a stick on label of useful size. >In other words, what pieces of software need to be on there? Whatever was on the 1.0 image would probably do it for me. > Obviously kernel and shell, but what else? Content of my last booted (a few days ago) DOS2000 floppy: Directory of A:\ AMSICD SYS 11,914 2-26-96 1:27p AMSIDA SYS 32,489 2-26-96 12:50p ASPI8XX SYS 61,466 10-07-98 4:06a ATTRIB EXE 8,664 4-30-98 7:00a AUTOEXEC 288 8-23-98 4:41p AUTOEXEC BAT 11 10-16-98 4:42a CHKDSK COM 13,470 4-30-98 7:00a COMMAND COM 52,965 4-30-98 7:00a COMMAND NEW 53,248 4-30-98 7:00p CONFIG ASP 20 10-30-98 3:35p CONFIG SY 1,258 10-05-98 1:15a CONFIG SYS 169 11-12-12 3:43p DEBUG COM 15,302 4-30-98 7:00a EMM386 EXE 119,390 4-30-98 7:00a FDISK COM 27,817 4-30-98 7:00a FORMAT COM 24,300 4-30-98 7:00a HIMEM SYS 14,160 4-30-98 7:00a LABEL COM 4,179 4-30-98 7:00a LOADHI COM 28,200 5-12-95 7:50a LOADHI SYS 26,572 5-12-95 7:50a MFT EXE 372,480 1-15-95 3:10a MFT INI 2,599 5-12-95 7:50a MOUSE COM 37,681 4-30-98 7:00a MOUSE INI 24 10-30-98 3:56p MSCDEX EXE 21,180 4-30-98 7:00a QEMM386 SYS 230,729 5-12-95 7:50a RAMDRIVE SYS 5,067 4-30-98 7:00a SMARTDRV EXE 44,121 4-30-98 7:00a SYMCD SYS 13,989 11-22-96 4:04a SYS COM 9,702 4-30-98 7:00a SYSINFO EXE 63,812 1-07-97 12:21p TED COM 7,754 12-17-92 2:12a XCOPY EXE 11,614 4-30-98 7:00a 33 file(s) 1,316,634 bytes used Content of my last booted (less than a week ago) M$DOS 7.1 floppy: Directory of A:\ ASPI8XX SYS 62,712 2-14-00 4:09a ASPICD SYS 29,620 4-23-99 10:22p ATTRIB EXE 15,252 4-23-99 10:22p AUTOEXEC BAT 1,174 6-17-00 11:21a BTCDROM SYS 21,971 4-23-99 10:22p BTDOSM SYS 30,955 4-23-99 10:22p COMMAND COM 93,890 4-23-99 10:22p CONFIG SYS 214 1-21-04 1:44a EBD CAB 272,206 4-23-99 10:22p EDIT COM 69,902 4-23-99 10:22p EDIT HLP 10,790 4-23-99 10:22p EXTRACT EXE 93,242 4-23-99 10:22p FDISK EXE 63,916 4-23-99 10:22p FDISK98F EXE 179,360 5-23-00 8:07p FINDRAMD EXE 6,855 4-23-99 10:22p FORMAT COM 49,575 5-06-98 8:01p HIMEM SYS 33,191 4-23-99 10:22p MSINPUT INI 190 11-11-00 11:28p OAKCDROM SYS 41,302 4-23-99 10:22p RAMDRIVE SYS 12,663 4-23-99 10:22p README TXT 14,764 4-23-99 10:22p SETRAMD BAT 1,416 4-23-99 10:22p SYMCD SYS 13,677 4-23-99 4:06a SYMDISK SYS 20,908 10-28-99 4:04a SYS COM 18,967 4-23-99 10:22p XCOPY EXE 3,878 4-23-99 10:22p XCOPY32 EXE 3,878 4-23-99 10:22p XCOPY32 MOD 41,472 4-23-99 10:22p 28 file(s) 1,207,940 bytes used > The sky's the limit, there > are hundreds of optional pieces. So before we can do anything, we have > to know exactly what it is that you want to do. (And I don't think a > complete "BASE" will fit, so you will have to be somewhat picky.) Basic bootability, as long as any additional files required for a particular purpose are readily available from somewhere by simple (x)copying, rather than a complicated process of extraction or "installation". People who use floppies well know their space limitation. > I guess if you want to boot a floppy in order to install a minimal > FreeDOS, you'll also need SYS, FDISK, FORMAT. (But you probably > already knew that.) I would also recommend at least Jack's drivers > (UIDE, XMGR, RDISK) and CTMOUSE and probably CWSDPMI. Well, and then > you get more and more complicated depending on use (i18n? > networking?). All I really need is whatever DOS 5 provided, updated to whatever extent is necessary on account of hardware evolution. It's probably been close to 2 decades since I last tried to make a DOS network, and I've never needed i18n, same as with PCDOS3.3. I still use DOS apps, one 24/7, but to use them I usually run eCS, better known as its original incarnation as OS/2, in large part because of my frustration with the FreeDOS "installation" process. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. 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