Yes, you need an RJ-11 jack (not RJ-45) on the wall, which is terminated
with copper, but I have FiOS at my house, which is fiber to the wall of my
garage, and a media converter to the copper that runs throughout my house.
That is still how most houses are wired even if they have DSL or Fiber to
the house:  copper inside, tranlsated to fiber or cable before it leaves
the premises.  Dialup modems work fine in all those cases.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmccunney []
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:52 PM
> To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview
> ver 2.60)
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Dale E Sterner <>
> wrote:
> > Copper is long gone and my dial up still works.Fiber is just a
> carrier.
> Dial up uses analog signals transmitted over copper wire.  Fiber is
> digital end-to-end.
> When you dial up, you presumably use a modem and connect via an RJ45
> jack to a connector on the wall.  What does the connecter have inside?
>  I'm willing to bet a lot it's copper wire.  The wire will teminate in
> a mux somewhere in the basement of your building or in the street,
> and long haul traffic will be over fiber, but the conversion from
> analog to digital happens elsewhere.  (And what the telco historically
> used was *not* TCP-IP.  They sent digital packets, but used a
> completely different protocol.  I used to *be* a telecom admin.  I
> actually know something about this.)
> In my area, copper at the point where the user will connect is no
> longer available.  It's fiber end-to-end.  Existing copper
> installations still work, but if they fail they will not be repaired.
> Verizon is treating hurricane Sandy damage as a good excuse to drop
> copper, and people who had copper that failed because of hurricane
> damage have already been told it won't be fixed, and their options are
> cell phone and/or fiber.
> > Peon is anyone who takes orders from a boss. Just about everybody.
> And the boss is the one who should be in control?
> > Dial up is so slow it would take years to clean out Sony instead of
> minutes or hours.
> Dial up is so slow Sony would not be able to do business in their
> current fashion if they were restricted to it.  Neither would anybody
> else.  You would not like living in the world that would result.
> > Sony was most likely an inside job. Some peon probably did it -
> revenge
> > or money who knows.
> Speculation is all over the web, with current fingers mostly pointing
> at politically motivated hackers in NK, who were unhappy about a new
> Sony Pictures film that portrayed their leader in an unflattering
> light.
> > Sony uses broadband and was the exit point for their billion dollar
> > files.  They didn't leave Sony in a brief case.
> Hacks like the one that breached Sony occurred back when stuff *was*
> still dial up.  Slower speed may make it take longer to get the data,
> but will not prevent the breach.
> > DS.
> ______
> Dennis
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