Hi, On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 4:36 PM dmccunney <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 4:19 PM Eric Auer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Bocke adds this: (I think FTP is just broken in the major browsers now, > > alas!) > > It is broken and will *not* be fixed.
I assume this is moreso due to unneeded extra maintenance rather than just dislike for it. > FTP is deprecated and is going away. It is ancient, ill maintained, > and a yawning mass of security holes. But not everything needs to be "secure". You mentioned below "games", and as long as they run in a sandbox (DOSBox) where they can't delete or format anything, who cares? Email is (usually) plain text, too! Are you going to deprecate everything old? UNIX is 50! (It had some good ideas, to say the least.) Simple things don't need to be secure. A simple AWK script or a (textual) "diff" to build, say, NASM in DOS is not worthy of ten layers of encryption. > HTTP is going away in favor of HTTPS, which adds encryption to the > connection. SFTP never caught on. SCP is the protocol of choice in > locked down corporate environments. > > Essentially, *all* communications must now be encrypted *both* ways, > which requires current encryption protocols baked in. Bare minimum, I > believe this would require an SSH library for DOS. You missed the bit about the recent update of the DJGPP port of Lynx, where it said this: "* with OPENSSL support (requires WATT-32, which requires a DOS packet driver)" The full (non-lite) DJGPP port of Links2 [sic] also supports HTTPS/SSL, last I checked. > If you are using a DOS emulator like DOSbiox X, you can rely on the > host to imp[lement such things. DOSBox-X also runs atop FreeDOS, thanks to HX (yes, I tried it). So does that mean DOS is now magically secure? > If you are running DOS on the bare metal, you will have problems. You > may still be able to set up an FTP server on a host that your pure DOS > machine can connect to, but it will *not* be part of a browser. BIOS and CSM are basically dead, so it's probably under emulator (e.g. QEMU). So what? Better than nothing (especially since most new computers "supposedly" have VT-X! Great!) I wish I knew how to run FreeDOS on a generic Chromebook like this one. (I've tried Linux cmdline support [beta] before, it wasn't bad, but it needs 10 GB of space, yikes!) > (Most interest I see in DOS these days is in running old DOS *games*, > where communication with the outside world is not a factor. Those > folks won't care about FTP, and may have never used it.). I hope Jim (and Eric and Tom and Jerome and Bart and Jeremy and Robert and ...) all realize how much I adore FreeDOS and have appreciated it over the years. My only complaint is that I couldn't contribute more. FreeDOS is great! (Now if only the rest of the world knew that.) _______________________________________________ Freedos-user mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
