The Tianenmen Square people's only mistake was not carrying
non-violent resistance to an inevitable succsesful conclusion.
Eric wrote on 12/25/00 11:46 pm:
>On Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at
>10:41:01PM -0500, Travis
>Bemann wrote:
>>
>> <RANT>
>> The people at Tianenmen
>(sp?) Square all got killed
>because they were stupid
>and naive. They thought
>that the Chinese gov't was
>going to be all nice and such.
>They were so fucking wrong.
>The only way that they
>could have won is if they had
>effectively started a civil
>war by first neutralizing the
>Chinese political leadership
>(read: burning the houses of
>and assassinating political
>leaders and functionaries as
>well as military leaders and
>officers en masse (the en
>mass part is
>> *very* important - if
>there is anyone left to
>replace the people who have
>been killed, then all of this is
>for nothing)) and doing
>preemptive strikes (read:
>large bombings meant to kill
>hundreds or even thousands
>(of troops) at a time as well
>as to destroy the majority
>of the Chinese gov'ts
>vehicles and aircraft while in
>storage or inactive on the
>ground) against Chinese
>military and government
>facilities. Of course, all of
>this requires large amounts
>of planning, secrecy, and
>coordination. There is also
>the problem of getting all
>your guns and explosives
>without anyone noticing.
>Yes, a lot of people on their
>side would have also been
>killed, but they would have
>had a real chance for
>victory. Of course, they
>could still make the same
>mistake that the Paris
>Commune made - they
>would still be doomed if they
>were limited to an area such
>as a single city and its
>suburbs which could be
>encircled by government
>troops. Note that doing this
>kind of stuff preemptively is
>extremely important - you
>need to do it before the
>government and the
>military can react - you
>need to avoid the battlefield
>like the plague. Remember
>that the government has
>tanks and bombers while you
>do not.
>> </RANT>
>>
>
>I'm feeling some bad energy
>from the people on this list. I
>think they knew what they
>were getting into, and would
>have rather died than put up
>with persecution any longer.
>I think what Ian is trying to
>say is that you have to put it
>all on the line to fight for
>your rights.
>
>eric
>
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