On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Mark J. Roberts wrote:
> > > > Like so often with security, inexperienced users will be likely to slack
> > > > on this if given the option, but in fact they DO want to be sure that what
> > > > they are linking or returning to is actually what they left.
> > >
> > > And how do they know that what they just saw was legit? So they download a
> > > subverted linux kernel the first time, don't notice, and keep on doing
> > > it. It's safest to link through trusted, reliable, secure-key sites to any
> > > new material. Even then, the site maintainers could be decieved into
> > > posting subverted software, but at least you stand a better chance of
> > > finding out about it before it's too late. (And, as you said, too late
> > > comes too soon.)
> >
> > How to validate something the first time is obviously not a problem that
> > can be solved in band. However, by putting all relevant data under secure
> > keys you can be sure that a) you can safely return to a document where you
> > had been before b) you can safely link to a document and be sure that
> > people following the link will end up where you want them.
>
> Embedded KSK links should be deprecated, if they aren't already. And
> nothing (especially important data like mapfiles) should never be directly
> under a KSK. I agree.
s/never/ever
> > > But really simple keys are essential for bootstrapping Freenet, IMHO. Once
> > > we win a userbase, then we can concentrate on tightening up the
> > > security. Without users it's all useless, so I vote for keeping our
> > > priorities straight.
> >
> > This is essential. You can have simple keys, but it is extremely important
> > that the essential data itself is under a secure key. And making sure of
> > this will not complicate things for the user, it will only make the
> > programming a little more difficult for us.
>
> This is an issue on the insert side. Is anyone going to try to defeat
> InsertClient and insert directly into a KSK? And if they do, what should
> our response be when we request it? Complete rejection of the data or
> merely a warning with an override?
>
>
>
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