Jim,

There is a way to insert special flags into the recon-all command stream
for a particular binary.  See the section 'EXPERT OPTIONS FILE' in
recon-all --help.  So you would create a file called expert.opts
containing:

mris_make_surfaces -fix_mtl

and then add the string '-expert expert.opts' to recon-all.

You could add -dontrun to recon-all to confirm that it is grabbing that
change.

Nick


On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 13:32 -0600, James N. Porter wrote:
> Hello Bruce-
> 
>  From the wiki, I gather that I would rerun recon-all from -finalsurfs 
> onward, as that is the step that calls make_final_surfaces. In order to 
> insert the fix_mtl flag I'll have to run that section via a separate 
> command line outside of recon-all. Are there any other subsequent steps 
> that require manual intervention or nonstandard parameters, or would 
> something like the code below do the work?
> 
> for S in $SUBJ; do
>     for H in $HEMI; do
>     mris_make_surfaces --noaparc --mgz -T1 --fix_mtl brain.finalsurfs $S $H
>     done
> recon-all -s $S -cortribbon -autorecon3
> done
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Porter
> Graduate Student
> Clinical Science & Psychopathology Research
> University of Minnesota
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Fischl wrote:
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > you can actually run mris_make_surfaces with -fix_mtl and it will 
> > inhibit all deformations in these regions. I didn't enable that by 
> > default as I was afraid it would mean missing a bit of entorhinal. In 
> > general it doesn't really matter as the gray and white volumes 
> > computed from the surfaces will exclude amygdala and hippocampal 
> > voxels that are interior to the surface.
> >
> > For your second question: we use the gray matter volume estimated from 
> > the surfaces instead of the aseg, as we find it to be more accurate 
> > than the voxel-based techniques.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >  On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, James N. Porter wrote:
> >
> >> Hello FreeSurfer Folks-
> >>
> >> I've seen several threads in the archives discussing the expected 
> >> inaccuracies in the pial, white, and orig surfaces running through 
> >> subcortical structures. However, I've been unable to ascertain 
> >> exactly how much and what kind of inaccuracy is acceptable. It makes 
> >> sense to me that if the entirety of a structure, say the amygdala, 
> >> were included or excluded in the pial surface, then it would be easy 
> >> to adjust later measurements. However, what we see in all of our 
> >> subjects is a random pattern of half in/half out, with weird shapes, 
> >> when it comes to the surfaces running in and around subcortical 
> >> structures. For example, take a look the image at this link.
> >>
> >>   http://www.tc.umn.edu/~norb0062/Amygdala.tiff
> >>
> >> There you will see the how the hippocampus and amygdala are both half 
> >> included in the pial surface. Item 1 has a strange guitar-shaped 
> >> chunk taken out of the amygdala, and item 2 has a triangle and a 
> >> peanut-shaped area removed. Are these the types of expected and 
> >> accepted inaccuracies, or is there something afoul here that needs to 
> >> be corrected?
> >>
> >> I have one other question regarding the interactions of aseg and 
> >> surface information. Item 3 in the image points out a section of 
> >> apparent subdural matter that has been classified as grey matter in 
> >> the aseg but has been excluded from the pial surface. When the final 
> >> statistics are spit out of recon-all, is there a section of 
> >> processing that says something like, "Based on the aseg values my 
> >> grey matter volume is X, but since Y of that is outside of the pial 
> >> surface I'll call my total volume X-Y"? Or, is this another item to 
> >> that requires correction and re-running of recon-all?
> >>
> >> Many thanks in advance,
> >>
> >>
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