Yes, true for all models. I'm not sure what I'm looking at in this scatter plot. The scatter plot does not have the nuisance effects removed, so it might be that when you remove the nuisance effect, then HC>SAD doug
On 10/30/2013 01:32 PM, Ashley Shurick wrote: > > Great - and this would be true for all models? > > For example, in the attached graph, I'm looking at a region > representing increased cortical thickness for one group compared to > the other (orange blob, Q: "Does the average thickness differ between > HC and SAD?" nuisance factor: mean thickness). From this plot it > appears that SAD > HC, but based on your answer to the previous > question I would think this region should represent HC > SAD. Can you > please explain this? > > Thank you! > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Douglas N Greve > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote: > > > In your case you have HC listed first, so red/yellow means HC>SAD, > blue means SAD>HC > doug > > > > > > > On 10/29/2013 11:03 PM, Ashley Shurick wrote: > > Hi Doug, > > Apologies, but I have a rather easy follow-up question that I > can't figure out: > > How do you interpret the effect in each significant region? A > previous post suggests using ctrl + left mouse click on a blob > and examining the plot of the data. However, for the model I > am looking at ("Does the thickness-ERQ correlation differ > between HC and SAD?") I still can't determine if cortical > thinning represents HC<SAD or SAD<HC. I'm attaching a > representative plot here. > > Thank you, > > Ashley > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Ashley Shurick > <ashley.shur...@gmail.com <mailto:ashley.shur...@gmail.com> > <mailto:ashley.shur...@gmail.com > <mailto:ashley.shur...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Thank you! > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Douglas N Greve > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> wrote: > > > On 10/29/2013 01:10 PM, Ashley Shurick wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm running analyses in Qdec and want to verify a > few things: > > > > 1. When comparing two groups (HC vs patients) I am > including > mean > > cortical thickness as a covariate, using the > following equation: > > > > > > bh.thickness = (lh.thickness*lh.surfarea + > rh.thickness*rh.surfarea) / > > (lh.surfarea + rh.surfarea) > > > > > > Is this the best way to calculate global mean thickness? > Yes > > > > > > 2. I want to regress out any effects of age, > therefore I need to > > demean the ages for my groups as a whole, and not > perform this > > calculation on each group separately, correct? > Yes, in which case the test of the difference between > groups > will be > done at an age equal to the mean of the ages. > > > > 3. I'm including questionnaires as a covariate of > interest - > do I need > > to demean these values as well? > When you do a test on a continuous covariate, that > test will be > unaffected by demeaning of the covariate. Demeaning will > affect the > difference between groups if you use a separate > covariate for each > group. If you have a single covariate across groups, > demeaning > will have > no effect. > > doug > > > > > > Thank you in advance for your help! > > > > > > Ashley > > > > > > -- > > Ashley A. Shurick > > Ph.D. Candidate > > Department of Psychology > > Stanford University > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Freesurfer mailing list > > Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > > > > https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/freesurfer > > -- > Douglas N. 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