I think so, but I defer to Doug
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<freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> On Behalf Of Ellen Ji
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Thanks for your reply Bruce. Could you confirm if I can run mri_convert on the
incorrectly flipped niftis to appropriately correct them?
(https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/LeftRightReversal)
Something like:
mri_convert --in_orientation LIA subject1.nii subject1_corrected.nii
best,
Ellen
On 9/16/2020 4:47 PM, Fischl, Bruce wrote:
Hi Ellen
Sorry to say it, but you really should start over. Not everything in the brain
is bilaterally symmetric so processing and flipping won't be the same as
flipping then processing.
Cheers
Bruce
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Hi Douglas,
I found the dicoms and confirm that the fiducial is on the opposite side
relative to the nifti. Additionally, the PI just informed me that the fiducial
was placed on the right side of the head and the nifti indicates left. I will
enquire as to what method was used to convert from dicom as that appears to be
the issue.
I already performed recon-all and aparcstats2table on the flipped nifti.
Could you please advise if there is there an efficient way to deal with this or
if I should start from the beginning?
Many thanks,
Ellen
On 9/15/2020 7:19 PM, Douglas N. Greve wrote:
First we have to determine whether it is really LR flipped or not. Do
you still have the dicoms? If so, can you convert to mgz using
mri_convert one-dicom-file.dcm test.mgz Then look at test.mgz and see
if the fiducial has changed sides relative to the nifti.
That is a fiducial. And do you know what side the fiducial was placed
on? mri_info does not help. How did you convert from dicom?
ps. Please make sure to post to the list and not to us personally
On 9/15/2020 12:58 PM, Ellen Ji wrote:
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group cc'd - thanks for the reminder.
My input data was the niftis. Example: recon-all -i 1kl5011.nii
-subjid
1kl5011 -all
Is there an efficient way to handle the flipped L-R or should I
mri_convert the nifti and then do recon-all?
(Assuming that I can't just switch lh_ and rh_ in the
aparcstats2table)
Ellen
On 9/15/2020 6:51 PM, Fischl, Bruce wrote:
Hi Ellen
Can you cc the list so that others can respond? What was your input data? Did
you not have dicoms?
Cheers
Bruce
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Hi Bruce,
Unfortunately I just found the fiducial and realised that the L-R is incorrect.
Can I simply switch the lh_ and rh_ output from aparcstats2table or do I need
to run mri_convert on the nifti and run recon-all from the beginning again?
Thanks,
Ellen
On 9/15/2020 5:44 PM, Fischl, Bruce wrote:
And what is your input to recon-all? If it is dicom you should be
pretty confident that we will get it correct
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How are you checking the LR orientation?
On 9/15/2020 4:10 AM, Ellen Ji wrote:
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Dear experts,
I recently performed recon-all on a set of subjects and the output
(aparcstats2table and asegstats2table) will be part of a meta-analysis of other
labs' cohorts. When assessing the asymmetry index direction (relative size of
left vs right hemisphere across multiple rois), our dataset shows an inversion
of the mean asymmetry index in several structures compared to the other cohorts.
For example, in our dataset, the lateral ventricle volume is on
average larger in the right hemisphere compared to the left, while the opposite
is true for all other cohorts. The same inversion of asymmetry is visible in
other structures that in general are more asymmetrical.
In order to check this, I went through each T1 to make sure the orientation was
correct and indeed they are.
Is there any possible way that there was a left-right inversion somewhere
during the recon-all pipeline? I want to make sure I did everything correctly
on our end and that the results are due to the biology and not a technical
mistake!
I found this website on Left-right reversal, and it seems relevant
to my issue, but I'm not fully understanding what this means (how
would bias occur during segmentation?) -
https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/LeftRightReversal
Many thanks for your input,
Ellen
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Postdoctoral Research Fellow
Psychiatric University Hospital
University of Zürich
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