Dude that is so wrong! There's only one 't' in literary.
-MC
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On Aug 30, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Michael Jerris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In addition to a FreeSWITCH book, he is also working on a full
length litterary response to war and piece, all written from his
iPhone.
On Aug 30, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Michael S Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
As I am the one primarily responsible for creating the Rosette
Stone page I feel compelled to respond.
I agree with Anthony. The wiki does *not* presume that its readers
have Asterisk experience. In fact, this is the very reason that the
Rosetta Stone page was created.
That being said, there are scattered references to Asterisk. How
can there not be? Asterisk is one of several reference points for
FS. It is probably the key reference point. Most early adopters of
FS have Asterisk experience - or in some cases, battle scars. :)
Brian West and I have been kicking around some ideas for a FS book.
One key element in writing a book is knowing your target
demographic. From my two plus years in the FS community I can tell
you that the demographic has started changing. Initially, the vast
majority of FS users were Asterisk users. Today that isn't
necessarily the case. We are noticing more people who say to us, "I
saw FS and Asterisk on a Google search. I think FS looks right for
me." In other words we're seeing first-time OSS telephony users and
even first-time any kind of telephony users. These new ones needn't
concern themselves with the Asterisk references except to put FS
into historical context.
One last thing. You said, "...the beauty of asterisk is its
simplicity." I can guarantee you that the Asterisk "refugees" here
in the FS community will vehemently disagree with this statement.
However, since beauty is in the eye of the beholder, we will let
that comment slide. :)
We will take your comments as suggestions where we can improve
things on the wiki. If you see any specific references to Asterisk
that are spurious then let us know and we'll evaluate them on a
case by case basis. You can also hop on IRC channel #freeswitch-
docs and air your concerns in real time.
-MC
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On Aug 30, 2008, at 9:59 AM, "Anthony Minessale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Hello,
I think mostly everything you are saying is completely wrong.
The majority of documents we have that mention asterisk strive to
make sure it's well understood that FreeSWITCH has an entire
different paradigm. If you read your own statements you will see
you are not qualified to comment from the perspective of someone
who has never used either software because you said yourself that
you tried asterisk and found it easy to understand where following
FreeSWITCH was much more difficult. That means you already fell
into the asterisk paradigm and now are struggling to shift to how
FreeSWITCH is designed. The volunteers who work on the
documentation made a single section in the wiki for people who are
used to asterisk. They can document whatever they want, they are
volunteers.
You make two insulting comments about how I do not listen to the
users. Please have a chat with the hundreds of users who have
influenced the design of FreeSWITCH and learn for yourself that
this is not true and in fact makes me incredibly angry that you
would have the nerve to even suggest it.
You may also need a history lesson. I myself did a great deal of
work on asterisk for several years. It's part of my life and if I
want to talk about that experience or host my asterisk code on my
website then I will. Of course you will not find anything about
FreeSWITCH on the asterisk website. They are annoyed that we
exist. You don't want there to be competition in open source then
go talk to them. They are the only software to even use the word
compete that I have met so far. We have ClueCon every year where
we work together with every open source project you can think of.
So you may want to go do your homework more............
You have insulted me and all of the volunteers who have spend
hundreds on the documentation by taking a quick scan of our site
and jumping to conclusions. The time it took you to write this
email annoying me, you could have helped document something
instead. Now I hope you do the right thing and apologize to
them. Don't bother with me, it's them you owe the apology cos
they are doing it all just because they want to and for no other
reason.
I am sorry it takes you so long to understand FreeSWITCH but that
is not my problem. This is my software for me to do whatever I
want with and you are someone who is choosing to use it so it's
your dilemma to learn how to work it or to decide if you prefer
another alternative but when you do so. Do it with more respect
and try to imagine how much work it takes to provide you with
something that just works when you type "make"
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:38 AM, Sunil Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Hi,
After going through the documents, I feel that the documents
assume that the guy who is going to use freeswitch is well versed
with asterisk or is an asterisk user who is going to switch to
freeswitch from asterisk. Its not from the point that somebody
from scratch can appreciate it for its design or any other thing.
I appreciate the point of consideration for a large community, but
for freeswitch to be the best it has to wipe out that they know
asterisk. They should believe more on its users rather than what
asterisk is doing. Once a basic level is reached than it should be
user driven rather than asterisk driven. If we compete with them
in mind than eventually we will mess up.
To be honest the beauty of asterisk lies in its simplicity. I was
reading freeswitch for hours and still struggling. Whereas in
asterisk I started and within hours I am up and running.
I also realised that in asterisk I didn't find a document talking
about freeswitch but in freeswitch its only about, with asterisk
in mind. Whether they are documents or working.
Comparisions will not allow to grow beyond a limit, we will always
be living in a psycho complex, leaving us with pain, agaony and
anger.
We should love what we are doing, and we want to make a universal
platform thats it. No point in comparision and running for a race.
Most of the open source are started by technology lovers that's
it. They don't create a technology to compete, they want to create
a new technology and that's why I started using freeswitch that
its going to create a new revolution which asterisk has lost
because of monetary considerations.
So I request to please love what we are doing and when ever we are
making a document think that its for a novice.
I request those who are driving it, please listen to your users
more. If you have started from scratch than let's some beauty come
out of it, a disruptive way of working. Like Apache, mysql ......
Ease of use is the main thing for a starter or anybody else. Even
it may be a best but if its not simple than people are not going
to use it and too much mention of asterisk in the doc will end up
people trying asterisk more rather than using freeswitch.
The guys whom we are targetting today may not be there, there will
be a new generation and we should drive it with them in mind.
I hope we all give it a thought and think from a novice point of
view.
Be a BOLT win with a self confidence and create only records.
regards,
Sunil
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