Hello Jim,

Octave is a free version of Matlab.

Cheers,

David  

On Sun, 2012-10-28 at 02:16 -0400, Jimmy Carter wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Thanks, and yeah I definitely agree that would be a lot of testing! I
> considered doing a simple difference of the individual sample values
> to give a rough estimate at the difference, but the metric you suggest
> sounds much better.
> 
> I don't have matlab, but I don't mind implementing that equation in C.
> Seems like it could become useful. I'll post back to the list when I
> have a program and values for those.
> 
> 73 KG4SGP - Jim
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/26/2012 07:05 AM, Bill Cowley wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jim, 
> > 
> > 
> > A nice demo!  I agree that listening to the results is going to be
> > the best option for measuring the bit sensitivities.  But if there's
> > lots of bits, over different samples, perhaps tested with different
> > channel codes, then that's a lot of listening! 
> > 
> > 
> > So it might be interesting to test a quantitative measure of the
> > effect of different bit errors and see how that compares to the
> > subjective test. Spectral distance measures can be used in this
> > situation eg
> > see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-spectral_distance   The aim
> > would be to measure the average distortion, in terms of power
> > spectral differences, over time periods that match the variations in
> > typical speech. Errors could be introduced randomly and used to rank
> > bit sensitivities, for a given BER. 
> > 
> > 
> > There's various code around
> > eg 
> > http://www.mathworks.com.au/matlabcentral/fileexchange/9998-log-spectral-distance.
> >  I've used other spectral distance measures but not this one.  Not sure how 
> > well it would work, but could be useful for coarse tuning of the error 
> > correction ...
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers, Bill 
> > 
> > On 26 October 2012 19:14, David Rowe <[email protected]> wrote:
> >         Hi Jimmy,
> >         
> >         Very good work .... nice to be able to hear the effect f
> >         each bit
> >         getting messed up.
> >         
> >         Cheers,
> >         
> >         David
> >         
> >         On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 03:58 -0400, Jimmy Carter wrote:
> >         > Hello again,
> >         >
> >         > I went ahead and tried to make it a little easier for
> >         others to help
> >         > with the subjective measurements.
> >         >
> >         > A small write-up can be found at
> >         http://kg4sgp.com/codec2-bit-study.html
> >         > . This page has links to audio with corresponding bit
> >         corruptions. From
> >         > the listening I've done there is definitely a difference
> >         in the
> >         > sensitivity of the different bit types.
> >         >
> >         > Please excuse the simple site. As you can probably tell
> >         it's not a
> >         > priority of mine.
> >         >
> >         > KG4SGP - Jim
> >         >
> > 
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