Hi Mooneer,

I tend to agree - most hams just want a turn-key appliance that they can get on the air with, and a large user base so they have someone to talk to - and that is fine.  The Linux/open source community tends to be more sensitive to open/closed source issues.  However Ham Radio is a broad hobby, and Codec 2 has some appeal to those that lean towards experimentation.

Re 2020 - a modem/waveform upgrade like the recent 700D/700E work might help it.

Cheers,
David

On 17/2/21 9:01 am, Mooneer Salem wrote:
(For reference, the thread Alan is referring to is here <https://groups.io/g/repeater-builder/topic/a_poll_for_preference_analog/80561243?p=Created,,,20,1,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,80561243&jump=1>.)

I get the feeling that proprietary vs. open (in the sense of licensing/patents) isn't the most important issue for most hams per se. However, it does manifest itself indirectly in several ways. One way in particular is increased difficulty in implementation for third parties; for instance, Icom was the only source for new D-STAR radios for quite a while until Kenwood came out with (and then discontinued) the TH-D74A. Ironically, the seemingly high usage of DMR in the commercial space likely lowered the adoption cost enough such that it's increasingly becoming one of the preferred VHF/UHF digital voice modes.

Anyway, promoting "open" in the sense of "ease of adoption" (patent/royalty free, implementable simply by linking in the Codec2 libraries, etc.) is probably going to be the most productive way of arguing it overall.

(BTW, I recently had a QSO in 2020 mode and it sounded pretty good IMO. Of course, it was far more sensitive to SNR and propagation disruptions than 700D and E, so I don't foresee using it too often--at least until we're higher up in the sunspot cycle, anyway.)

-Mooneer K6AQ

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:09 PM Al Beard via Freetel-codec2 <freetel-codec2@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:freetel-codec2@lists.sourceforge.net>> wrote:

    Hi,
    Have you been reading the topic: A poll for preference. Analog or
    digital?
    on the RepeaterBuilder email group?

    It's all about audio quality or intelligibility.

    Not one has mentioned, *we are stuck using proprietary vocoders.*

    No innovation is possible either in the audio encoding or decoding,
    yet keeping the systems (data over radio layer) compatible.


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