almost every camcorder on the market with a CCD will see IR quite well.

forget a B&W camera... grab most any low-end camcorder from the past 3 years
to see IR light from a remote.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roh . [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] radio frequency receivers



>I know when I had my Tivo, I had it down low and when sitting at couch,
>sometimes I had to lean forward when using remote because coffee table was
>in the way and caused signal to get lost.
>
welll if you havnt built the circuitry then you dont have much control over 
its quality eh?
i had a tv years ago that needed the remote to be held verticaly (pointing 
to roof) to work because the LEDs inside the remote pointed down. I used to 
own an old jvc top-loading (really old yes) vcr, the IR worked like crap 
untill i pulled the IR filter off the vcrs front panel - and volia!
over years repairing electronics, ive seen a hude difference in quality in 
different brands of electrical equipment. years ago it was rare to find a 
remote with 2 LEDs, nowadays its almost standard, and usally the two LEDs 
have different lightwave/angle specs as well as being physicaly mounted on 
different angles for the broadest possible transmission.
Thats not to say that if you buy some cheap IR device from say tandy, that 
it wont be a crap single 15mW/980nm IR LED that can barely reach 3 meters.
2 decent quality LEDs at 65-85mW will reach over 15 meters in daylight. 
(remote controllers arnt normally that powerfull, but security beams use 
them at those rates, and a mod'ed remote Tx could)

If i was you, that tivo box wouldve got to me, and sooner or later i wouldve

pulled the remote apart first - to see whats up, make sure the LED isnt on 
some strange angle, check the voltage drop across the current limiting 
resistor (it/they stand out like dogs balls on the front of Tx PCB) to get 
an idea of current through the IR LED (min of 25mw per LED in my books).
easier way, if you have, or know someone, with a b&w cam, most are IR 
sensitive, point it at the cam and watch the tv screen, see how bright the 
LEDs are and get a idea of its angle by pointing it at wall (with low room 
light) and you'll see the IR hitting the wall. you can compare the 
brightness/angle with a IR Tx you know works good. (if you work with IR 
stuff a lot, then for $58 a cheap CMOS B&W from jaycar is worth it)

although, none of the above will help if you are trying to get a IR beam to 
magicaly go through a solid object, which is big enough to completely block 
the light from getting around it and hitting the Rx device. (unless you got 
mirrors on your ceiling, then just point the Tx up! :P)

to sum up it up, if u spent about $10, which gets you good quality 
compnents, and build the home-brew lirc rx circuit, you'll find that you've 
got one of the best IR recievers you've ever used, and works with any 38khz 
(one-way/Tx only) remote controller, so you can play till you find one thats

strong enough for what you want, or modify a old/spare one to suit - cool! 
:D


...i was bored so i thought id explain myself with this one! :D

rohbags
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

PS: ...and seriously - IR can go around corners, im not talking "S" or "U" 
style corners, just simple "L" or "V" types, for example i can stand in the 
kitchen at the end of the hallway, and point the remote Tx down the hall at 
my bedroom door frame, which bounces off the white paint to the back wall of

my bedroom and activates the lirc circuit there.

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