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Phil wrote:

Bill
Phil wrote:
There's a good amount of growth these days based on trying to improve efficiency,
workflow, best practices, processes, etc. Part of the quality movement is about gains
made in eliminating waste and eliminating reviews, and instead having quality as an
up-front and intrinsic effort.
[PH] That's good and bad.   Refinement is wonderful in itself in lots of ways, but it's inherently a diminishing return endeavor, like polishing.   You do the easy gains first and then successively smaller gains take increasing work.

Wow, that's a pretty low expectation for efficiency and quality. In some ways it sounds like
the complaints about Total Quality Management from the Six Sigma crowd -
that the former focused on the easy gains in a localized area (technical only, say),
while ignoring the organizational needs as a whole. So you might have a spruced
up assembly line that runs really well but the organization needs a better sales force.
Combine this with an approach that gets IT focused on business processes with
enterprise systems, improved supply chain, better mobile access to sales support in
the field, better customer ability to configure and order...
[PH] Well our scenarios are different.   You seem to be describing a constant resource being used to enable growth produced by creating emergent levels of reorganization.   I was assuming that the difference between growth (positive exponent increase)  and refinement (negative exponent increase) was clear and you seem to be using good English in a way that makes it unclear which we're talking about.   My description was meant for the later.

I think the growth and refinement are very closely coupled in many processes.
China's spewing out steel. Will it grow till it stops? or refine, target new markets, find new
uses, cut costs, leverage the technology and factories onto something else?
I'd bet the latter. Most innovation is incremental, not disruptive, but both types
are useful - 2 products can look almost identical, but one flies off the shelf and
one stays.  I can't be sure that refinement means negative exponent increase
unless you're defining the two tautologically - that refinements are negative exponent
increases. Otherwise, a refinement can possibly lead to exponential growth with
little to no extra effort.

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