On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
I hesitate to point this out... Wait a minute, that 's not correct. I *rush* to point this out: The conversation has become a bit neurotic by now, wouldn't you all agree?Wait, wait, the canyon country *I* know of in Utah doesn't have *any* wireless access. Doug's AI back in NM is speaking on his behalf! Let's add Paranoid (me) to Neurotic while we are at it.
--Doug (Still on vacation, somewhere in Utah's canyon country today).
On 7/10/06, Frank Wimberly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Back in the 1980's Hans and I had offices next to each other in the
Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon. Over a period of a couple of
years we had numerous arguments about whether machines could realize
consciousness; whether a human mind could be transferred to a machine,
etc. I remember saying that if somehow my "mind" were transferred from
my body to some robot--which I felt was impossible--it might be that
everyone else would agree that it was a remarkable likeness but that I
would be gone. Hans replied that I undervalued myself--that I am
software not hardware. After many arguments along these lines I said,
"Hans, I now understand why you don't understand what I am saying about
consciousness--you don't have it." This was all in good humor and later
when I was teaching a course in AI to MBA students I invited Hans to
continue our debate in class. A good time was had by all, I hope.
Frank
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 100 billion neurons
I suspect you'd like Hans Moravec's books:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674576187
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195136306
He uses Moore's law and estimates of the brain's computing power to
calculate when we'll have human equivalence in "a computer." I forget
the date, but it's not far. He also talks about a number of very
interesting consequences of this.
- Martin
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