Robert, This URL came up empty for me.
www.cran.r-project.org/doc/contrib/*Verzani*-*SimpleR*.pdf Any thoughts???? nick > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 9/17/2006 12:00:21 PM > Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 39, Issue 22 > > Send Friam mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework) (Phil Henshaw) > 2. Re: Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework) (Giles Bowkett) > 3. lego mc escher, and freaky dolphin submarine (Giles Bowkett) > 4. Re: Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework) (Robert Holmes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:39:11 -0400 > From: "Phil Henshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework) > To: "'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Thanks, found some help on the R help forum, though now I'm buried in > resources and haven't gotten to square 1 with understanding the syntax. > What I really want is to communicate my own purposes, how to watch the > masterful artwork of nature evolve by cross connecting real events and > real dynamics... What the skillful use of the right tools shows is > that *every* event is emergent as an original development, not accident, > of its time! > > > Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.???? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 680 Ft. Washington Ave > NY NY 10040 > tel: 212-795-4844 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > explorations: www.synapse9.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:22 AM > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework) > > > > > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > > > > I can only > > > limp along with my live systems data analysis using home made lisp > > > routines on a graphics platform because of the standard > > grid model of > > > data that seems to be used elsewhere? > > [..] > > > marvelous! but now I've got all sorts of stuff to transfer to a > > > system I don't understand... know any tutors in NY? > > If you like Lisp, you'll find R natural. Witness lambda > > expressions > > and lexical scope: > > > > test <- function (l) { > > sum(sapply (l, function (x) { x + l })) > > } > > > > > test (c(1,2,3,4)) > > [1] 80 > > > > It's also has consed lists (called pair lists), hash tables (called > > environments), etc. > > > > There are tutorials of various sorts on the R website. > > > > R is a great package. It has a plug-in interface for native > > code, and > > hundreds of contributed packages. > > Folks that are mainly interested in presentation graphics or > > visualization might not find it is what they want as that's not it's > > greatest strength. It's greatest strength is that it is good > > full-fledged dynamially typed programming language with about every > > statistical test ever conceived. But visualization is improving. > > There's a very usable OpenGL package that works fine, for > > example. Also > > some will gripe that it is slow. It's true there is no > > compiler for R, > > yet, but given the native code plug-in interface and the fact > > that most > > operations are vectorized with intensive numerics done in R's native > > code libraries, I think that's a pretty bogus complaint. > > > > Marcus > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:39:00 -0600 > From: "Giles Bowkett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework) > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Alright, I give up - why do fun languages like Python or more fun > > languages like Squeak get passed over in the market compared to > > rather annoying languages like Java? How come they haven't been as > > competitive as say Linux as a server OS platform? Why is C++ vs. > > Java still our fate in 2006? Is there no God? Have we been bad? > > OK -- this is a huge topic, but, for what it's worth, here's my theory. > > Short answer: marketing. > > Long answer: > > Most language choices in the programming world come down to > programmers selling stuff to management. Selling is a people skill and > programmers often lack it. Every so often a programmer manages to use > some obscure language they prefer, and the results are impressive -- > Yahoo! Stores was originally written in Lisp, there were virtually > zero Ruby Web programmers before one Ruby Web programmer created Ruby > on Rails, Seaside is written in Smalltalk and has productivity that > makes even Rails look sluggish, etc. -- but generally that's not > because somebody discovered a language's heretofore-overlooked power, > it's because somebody who was already aware of that power managed to > convince some business person that the power actually existed, or > learned enough business skills that these decisions became their own > to make. > > More frequently, what happens is that the language choice actually > comes down to a management decision, and most people who manage > programmers are in the business of making decisions they do not > understand. So they follow the dictates of fashion. This is why the > industry is so prone to buzzwords and trends -- the people making the > decisions do not actually have any other metric at their disposal > besides popularity. > > Anyway, apologies Owen, but I have to disagree with the "languages are > hard" thing. Languages are easy, at least, for me personally, I've > never found syntax or even idioms difficult to get the hang of. As > arrogant as I might sound, I don't think I'm actually unique in this. > The sheer number of languages, and the fact that most programmers know > several, demonstrates that they aren't **that** difficult. But the > points about interoperability and deployability seem much more valid. > > I think programmers who enjoy obscure languages tend to be better > programmers, but the causality works the other way around: enjoying > obscure languages doesn't make you a better programmer, being a good > programmer gives you an increased appreciation for obscure languages. > That being said, there's a lot of interest in learning new languages > these days, and I think it's gotten out of hand. > > A lot of the big surprise success stories in the last decade or so > have come out of left field in terms of the languages they were > written in, but this is almost tautological -- they wouldn't have been > surprises if they had been written in the languages everyone else was > using at the time. It does seem, though, that if you study languages > strictly to learn more languages, you'll find a lot of totally > careerist programmers doing the same thing. About a year and a half > ago I was going to Python users' group meetings at Google, and the > slickness, desperation, and indifference which marks a room full of > careerist programmers was so thick in the air that I could hardly > breathe. Maybe a year or so before that, it had become common > knowledge that Google preferred to see Python on resumes when hiring > for Java positions, and so a lot of people had started learning Python > purely to get better Java jobs, in much the same way that a guy who > has no interest in actually managing a project might still seek to be > officially named the project's manager. > > I hope I don't sound like a bitter Silicon Valley refugee... ;-) > > -- > Giles Bowkett > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:19:00 -0600 > From: "Giles Bowkett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [FRIAM] lego mc escher, and freaky dolphin submarine > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > lego mc escher: > http://www.swell.net/flash_g3_0628/esher.jpg > > freaky dolphin submarine: > http://www.innespace.com/ > > -- > Giles Bowkett > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:39:45 -0600 > From: "Robert Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Seaside (Smalltalk web development framework) > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Phil, > > Of the various tutorials out there, I'd recommend "simpleR - using R for > introductory statistics" by Verzani. > www.cran.r-project.org/doc/contrib/*Verzani*-*SimpleR*.pdf > > Robert > > On 9/16/06, Phil Henshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Thanks, found some help on the R help forum, though now I'm buried in > > resources and haven't gotten to square 1 with understanding the syntax. > > What I really want is to communicate my own purposes, how to watch the > > masterful artwork of nature evolve by cross connecting real events and > > real dynamics... What the skillful use of the right tools shows is > > that *every* event is emergent as an original development, not accident, > > of its time! > > > > > > Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.???? > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20060917/60575aac/attachment-0001.h tml > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Friam mailing list > [email protected] > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > End of Friam Digest, Vol 39, Issue 22 > ************************************* ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
