Yes, that's well argued Ian and makes sense to me (Marcus, your thoughts?). I have a lingering intuitive sense that there is still some analog-worthy insight available; perhaps it's this:

If truly catastrophic climate change could result (with some non-zero probability) in a truly inhospitable world, or even the extinction of homo sapiens, does its avoidance constitute something approaching "infinite" value to us as a species?
db

On Aug 14, 2007, at 5:01 AM, Ian P. Cook wrote:


I guess I'd seen Marcus' point as demonstrating why Pascal's wager wasn't at all applicable. As I understand it, the wager is entirely dependent on the payoff to believing in God's existence (and God existing) being infinite. It's the only way it totally dominates all other actions (vs non belief whether God does or does not exist, that is). Otherwise it's just a cost-benefit calculation. And while we can certainly talk about the benefits of acting in regards to climate change now even if the change isn't primarily anthropogenic vs non-action when it is, the only way to make the analogy, I would think, is to suggest that action now has an infinite payoff. The trouble with that, though, is that it means we should accept ANY further wager that might result in the outcome with the infinite payoff being realized. One should, it seems, be willing to take my wager on whether or not I can personally reverse climate change in exchange for all your wealth. Whether or not I could do it, there just might be a non-zero subjective probability that I COULD, which means you should take the bet -- since the expected payoff is still infinite -- and hand over everything. In terms of Pascal's wager, that is the argument for doubters: if you are even willing to entertain a tiny belief that there is some non- zero probability that God exists, you should still pray/become a "believer". No matter the personal effort and cost of belief, there is no way it will surpass the expected value of the bet. This doesn't work if the payoff isn't infinite, since some countervailing return to tip things back towards the non-believer side.

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