+1: I guess that complexity cannot be expressed adequately even in a term of computability. ? --Mikhail
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikhail Gorelkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] When is something complex > Just two thoughts: 1) it seems that complexity is a more fundamental category > than linearity / non-linearity, which are parts of a > sophisticated ***formal*** system; 2) I assume there are types of complexity > (and, therefore, many - I mean really many - types) > that cannot be expressed in any formal system (beyond linearity / > non-linearity). Something like Gödel's theorem. ? --Mikhail > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicholas Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] When is something complex > > >> Alfredo, >> >> Good question. In fact, the question of the day, for the Hayes talk. >> >> Mysterious non linear effects in Hayes data leading to the conclusion good >> hearted efforts in one direction lead to the opposite result. >> >> I guess "mysterious non-linearity" is a good clue that the phenomenon is >> complex. >> >> Nick . >> >> >> >> >> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:12:09 -0500 >>> From: Alfredo CV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] **today ** Lecture Wed Sep 12 12:30p: Jim Hayes - >>> Hedging Complex and Chaotic Private Health Insurance Markets and the >>> Uninsured >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Friday Morning Applied Complexity >>> Coffee Group <[email protected]> >>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Of course it?s impossible to me to know details of the speeches you >>> usually have. In the distance I suppose that the first purpose of each >>> one of these speeches is to know and evaluate a broad type of cases >>> where complexity is used to understand phenomena. I wonder what makes >>> some phenomena suitable to be studied with a "complex" approach. What >>> must somebody take in consideration to decide that is studying a complex >>> phenomena? >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Alfredo CV >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> > >
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