And the Moors. Don't forget the Moors. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Robert Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> And the Vikings. Mustn't forget the Vikings -- Robert > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Robert Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> IMHO, the notion that europeans are "relative newcomers to the >> conversation about race" is just plain silly. The UK has been colonized by >> the Romans, the Jutes, the Angles, the Saxons and the French. We've been >> having conversations about race for a *very* long time. >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> Just to let Doug know the US is not the only bastion of idiots: >>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96949439 >>> Bigotry, apparently, is not uncommon in Europe. >>> >>> I was surprised by Julian Bond's statement. He's both insightful and >>> knowledgeable. >>> "The big difference here is that the United States has been thinking >>> about and dealing with race since we were founded. These countries in Europe >>> are relative newcomers to the conversation about race. They are much less >>> familiar with confronting their own bigotry." Bond adds, "I have always >>> thought that European countries are more bigoted than the U.S." >>> >>> I recall considering leaving the US after Bush was elected. I thought >>> about the problems I'd seen in Italy and elsewhere, and decided that there >>> just might be as many problems outside the Bubba infested US as in. >>> >>> I think of Europe as being more sophisticated, certainly in lifestyle. >>> But then my sampling is biased. But if I think of my friends here, I see >>> the same sophistication. Hard for me to say if Bond has it right. >>> >>> I'd be interested in our European Friamers observations. >>> >>> -- Owen >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >>> >> >> > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -- Doug Roberts, RTI International [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell
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