On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:58:43 -0700, "Owen Densmore"
<[email protected]> said:
> I'm with Nick.  Why?  We have to separate understanding *architecture*  
> from implementation.
> 
> Architectural studies look at the system from a 50,000 foot view, so  
> that the student can understand how the whole system works.
> 
> Implementation studies look at how a practitioner would, on the job,  
> build part of a system.
> 
> Very different issues.

   I would love to argue this with you as I am in almost complete
   disagreement.  How would you regard the Agile belief in "emergent
   architecture?"  The 'breadth first' idea has little to nothing to do
   with architecture in my opinion.
> 

> 
> So I'd not mind taking a class that assumed the implementation used  
> within the class was not mainstream.  That it left the student with  
> very broad understanding of how computing works.  Sure it'd be great  
> to teach where you got both: understanding and practical skills.  I'm  
> not sure its possible.

I sure hope it is - otherwise I have been fooling myself for a long
time.
> 
> Re: Ruby -- It really does not cut it. 

I probably agree - but can 100,000 avid users be wrong?  I included it
in my list only on the basis of popularity for Web-only development.

> 
> So GLASS it is for now, right?  I think I'd prefer Javascript, but at  
> least I understand the struggle.

You will get Javascript - I promise - as we integrate the Lively Kernel
into Squeak.

davew


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