Owen, Is the program we built together.... MOTH ..... a thing?
That's funny, because I have always thought of programs as extremely refined arguments. Programs and simulations show the entailments of an argument with a precision that no [other form of] philosophical argument could hope for. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University ([email protected]) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > [Original Message] > From: Owen Densmore <[email protected]> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> > Date: 7/12/2009 1:13:49 PM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Philosophy, Mathematics, and Science > > On Jul 12, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Jack K. Horner wrote: > > ...That granted, if we are faced, as has been asserted, with a > > choice of either philosophizing or "building things", here are some > > challenges: > > > > 1. What are "things"? > > Something that lasts. Ideas are fine. What is the philosophic > equivalent of a Ring? > > > 2. Which "things" should we build and why? > > Anything that lasts. So that it can be built upon. > > > 3. Is knowledge/ABM/science possible without making > > at least some presumptions (even if they are only > > conventions) about meaning, logic, and perception? > > Yes. > > > ... > > Bottom line: we can choose to ignore "philosophy", but we can't make > > it go away. > > Yes we can: we can ask that community to start a separate mail list. > It clearly is both popular and important. But not to the original > intent of Friam, which was to create a community of those interested > in SFI and applied complexity. > > Let me be clear: philosophy is fine, we all participate in our own > personal brand of it to get through life. I none the less agree: > Please God No. > > There is nothing at all wrong in building a new list, it happens all > the time that successful communities do so. If it would help, I can > construct it for folks needing it in case the philosophic excludes > network expertise. It would be, I think, based on the Philosophy of > Science, right? Its a commendable discourse. But not for me and many > of the Friam list. > > -- Owen > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
