On Sep 17, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

But it seems to me that every attack on realism I ever read presumes a
reality, including those I have been reading here.

Even mine? ;(


As Holt points out, you have to start somewhere and the simplest least
contorted beginning is to assume realism.

I'm not sure I understand -- why not simply start from experience and awareness?
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