Well, I think so (emoticon for nervous smile). 

How can you even write to me without presupposing my existence.  And as Holt 
points out, the route to pointing out that I am just a figment of your 
imagination requires the reality of something called an imagination.  Holt 
argued "Mind here" was a more complex statement than "world there" because the 
former presupposes the latter but not the reverse.  Contra Descartes, I am not 
aware of a mind, I am aware of a world.  Only after some heavy lifting can I 
separate a mind out from the rest of the world.  I mean, which do you think a 
baby discovers first: his world or his mind?  

Nick 



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Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, 
Clark University ([email protected])
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/




----- Original Message ----- 
From: Miles Parker 
To: [email protected];The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group
Sent: 9/17/2009 10:02:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Faith and Science (was comm.)




On Sep 17, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:


But it seems to me that every attack on realism I ever read presumes a
reality, including those I have been reading here. 



Even mine? ;(




As Holt points out, you have to start somewhere and the simplest least
contorted beginning is to assume realism.  


I'm not sure I understand -- why not simply start from experience and awareness?
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