Doug, 

Thou protests too much. 

You know the story of the two monks from an austere order that were walking in 
the woods and encountered a damsel at the banks of a muddy brook.  One of the 
monks picked her up and put her across the brook.  The damsel thanked him and 
the two monks continued on their walk.  

After a few moments of silent walking, the other monk, said to the monk who had 
helped  the woman, "you know, brother, our order forbids us to have any contact 
with women."

"Contact?" Said the first monk.   "I put her down a hundred yards back; you 
carry her in your arms still!"

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, 
Clark University ([email protected])
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/




----- Original Message ----- 
From: Douglas Roberts 
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Sent: 10/10/2009 9:16:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A question for the emergentists among you


Robert,

It's supposed to be *my* job to ask embarrassing practical questions.

The answer, of course, is to provide a vehicle around which to hold at-length 
discussions on whether, or not, the term "emergence" applies to said phenomenon.

Silly.  You should have known that.

--Doug


On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Robert Holmes <[email protected]> wrote:

What's the point of determining whether a phenomenon is emergent or not? What 
useful stuff can I actually do with that knowledge?


In other areas of my life, classification can have actionable consequences. For 
example, I can use the sophisticated pattern-matching algorithms and heuristics 
embedded in my brain to work out that the three animals wandering through my 
house can be categorized as "cats" and not "dogs". And that is useful, because 
it tells me that I should buy cat food and not dog food when I go to PetCo.


So what is an equivalent example with emergence? Once I've attached the 
"emergent" label to a phenomenon, then what?


-- Robert

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