Robert, Why do you hope my answer is not true? -- Russ A
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:10 PM, russell standish <[email protected]>wrote: > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 08:21:08PM -0600, Robert Holmes wrote: > > Wow, I post a question, go on a 6-hour hike and this is what I come back > > to... > > > > I still don't feel that I've got a straight answer to my question, other > > than Doug's (which I suspect is the most accurate) and Russ's (which I > > really hope isn't true). So let me try again: once I've established that > a > > phenomenon is emergent by using a yet-to-be developed metric (Owen's > > formalism) or philosophic enquiry (Nick's & other's approach) - then > what? > > > > In fact, let's not limit ourselves to the present situation (because I > > suspect that the current answer is simply "Nothing. Identifying emergence > is > > an end in it's own right"). What would you *like* to be able to do once > > you'd attached the "emergent" label to a phenomenon? What's your best > case, > > your grand vision? Imagine the best of all possible worlds and tell me: > what > > would you want to be able to do once that "emergent" label gets attached? > > > > -- Robert > > My very short answer is "compute the (informational) complexity of the > emergent thing". That's what I want to do. > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Mathematics > UNSW SYDNEY 2052 [email protected] > Australia http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >
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