Array models are muc h more sophisticated than he could even understand.  The 
simplest models use Fourier tranforms for the boundary layer effects on the 
lumpy terrai n, and,  for the wake development,  turbulence levels computed 
from interaction of atmospheric stability,  ground roughness, tur bine sca le, 
energy ex traction and wind speed gradien ts  .  A nd it's still not complete, 
but tests on my ancient model in Swed en on a real 200 kW unit spinning in the 
Baltic breeze were not too bad 
Why not put in all the effort?  There's lotsa $ involved.  A nd dont' even 
think of relo c ating a 1/2 mill $, 500 kW unit, the transfer would eat up 10 
years profits! 
It's a mistake to assume folks know less than you! 



Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures 

Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for. 

1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA 
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