Gary: I note you have your own domain ([email protected]).  How did 
you do that with gmail?

   -- Owen


On Jun 9, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

> I've been using gmail via IMAP for at least five years, and haven't found it 
> to be bad at all, though I'm not that fond of its web interface either. I 
> started using gmail with Thunderbird under Windows XP, and switched to using 
> it with Mail.app on OS X about three years ago. I haven't had any serious 
> problems. I started with a whole bunch of nested folders in Thunderbird from 
> 20+ years of POP3 accounts when I switched to gmail IMAP.
> 
> First, set up a gmail account and enable IMAP via the web interface. Then add 
> the IMAP gmail account to Thunderbird or Mail.app. I generally didn't 
> explicitly create folders in this account, but instead dragged individual 
> folders from the POP3 accounts onto the gmail account. I was able to drag 
> folders (even heirarchies of folders) from the POP3 accounts to the gmail 
> account. In cases where I had folders with many subfolders (e.g. a "Friends" 
> folder with subfolders for each friend), I did explicitly create the parent 
> folder, and then dragged one or a few subfolders onto it. If the parent 
> folder has messages in it (e.g. in my Friends folder, I also keep messages 
> from misc. friends that I have had very few messages from, and so 
> particularly want to have their own folders), then select all the messages in 
> the folder and explicitly drag the messages into the newly created folder. 
> Since IMAP keeps the client and server in sync, this process also creates the 
> folders on the gmail server.
> 
> The process is slow and manual, but worked well for me. In the end, you have 
> nicely backed up email that you can access either from your laptop/desktop 
> mail app, or from any computer via the web interface. Also, when I switched 
> to Mac, all I had to do was create the account in Mail.app, and all the 
> folders and messages magically appeared (while burning up a lot of bandwidth 
> - thanks, NCGR for the T3 connection :-), since they already existed on the 
> server.
> 
> I suspect the idea of lots of nested folders is pretty old fashioned (like me 
> :-) Gmail talks about "labels" instead of folders, which are basically tags. 
> If the labels have embedded slashes, its IMAP treats these as nested folders, 
> so you can have it both ways, although it is a bit ugly to have labels like 
> Friends/Santa Fe/FRIAM/Owen.
> 
> ;; Gary
> 
> On Jun 9, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> 
>> Like many a damn fool, I'm seriously trying to use Gmail, via the web 
>> interface.
>> 
>> Now, I (possibly mistakenly) presume you, fellow gmail users, are not
>> going through the tortue I am.  In plain words, it Sucks.  Really!
>> 
>> So I must ask you to answer one of two questions:
>> 1 - How do you bear it? .. Do you have a stunt to make the web UI more 
>> usable?
>> 2 - If not, do you access gmail in some other way?  An email client?
>> Or some other way to avoid the Horror Of It All?
>> 
>> I will go through a couple of weeks and hope for the best.  But
>> clearly if you can handle this, you have Given Up.
>> 
>>  -- Owen
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