Bruce, Would you be willing to get into the weeds a bit about what those costs are? My imagination is failing me, here.
Nick -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Sherwood Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:48 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Elsevier my part in its downfall « Gowers's Weblog There are real costs that someone must pay. A promising approach adopted by some physics journals is to have the authors pay, with readers having free access. NSF considers author publication fees a reasonable part of doing business, and physicists are including these costs in grant proposals. In some cases there are "scholarships" for truly needy submitters. Bruce On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Owen Densmore <[email protected]> wrote: > Timothy Gowers the Fields medalist mathematician has a recent post on > Elsevier and a growing movement to boycott their use > > http://gowers.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/elsevier-my-part-in-its-downfal > l/ > > > This includes not submitting to the VERY MANY math journals owned by > Elsevier: > > http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/P11.cws_home/mathjournals > > .. or reviewing submissions > > One previous successful act against Elsevier was extraction of the > Journal of Topology > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topology_(journal) > > On 10 August 2006, after months of unsuccessful negotiations with > Elsevier about the price policy of library subscriptions, the entire > editorial board of the journal handed in their resignation, with > effect from 31 December 2006. Subsequently, two more issues appeared > in 2007 with papers that had been accepted before the resignation of > the editors. In early January the former editors instructed Elsevier > to remove their names from the website of the journal, but Elsevier > refused to comply, justifying their decision by saying that the > editorial board should remain on the journal until all of the papers accepted during its tenure had been published. > > In 2007 the former editors announced the launch of the Journal of > Topology, run under the auspices of the London Mathematical Society at > a significantly lower price. > > > Its interesting that Timothy also refers to SOPA/PIPA and took part in > the wikipedia led protest. (I just found out that wordpress made a > plugin that folks all could use for that and future protests. > Impressive!) > > I'd really like more of us to be careful about our papers and demand > they be open. Its not exactly black/white, but certainly the papers > have to be publicly available, whatever else the publisher's rights may be. > > I'd like your opinions, which are quite likely more informed than mine. > > -- Owen > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at > http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
