Great discussion, everyone. To Owen's point about speaking out against injustice, perhaps we should start a world-wide organization of the "6-Sigma Peaceful Majority", speaking out against violence and hatred for any reason. May be it's time for the grass-root majority to be the leaders of peace and tolerance.
Belinda On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote: > Or there's a bunch of irate terrorists/loonies/freedom fighters that hijack > the Islamic cause because they can't stand America(ns) and want to hurt us as > much as possible - pursuing 'death by a thousand cuts' and know they can rile > up the locals to act/riot/revolt. > > Or has this theory been discredited. > > Robert C > > On 9/14/12 10:24 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: >> Let's see if I understand you correctly, Owen. >> >> There are a bunch of fundamentalist Islamists all up in arms shouting >> "Allahu Akhbar" whilst burning down our embassies and killing our diplomats >> because there is a film out that is derogatory of the Muslim religion. >> >> And this is not about religion? >> >> I don't see it. >> >> Or you don't see it. >> >> What I do see is that there is one very large disconnect on this particular >> issue. >> >> --Doug >> >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Owen Densmore <[email protected]> wrote: >> I do not believe this to be a religious issue at all. The question is of >> groups and institutions. >> >> When a faction of a group becomes apparently insane, do we not expect the >> entire group, its leaders and majority, to speak up and to mend? >> >> When civil rights were an issue in the south, many of us (I was at Georgia >> Tech) spoke up, and indeed many churches of all stripes did so. Many NRA >> members also speak up about the extreme position the organization takes. >> Examples abound. And yes, I consider this a Complexity domain, much like >> Miller's Applause model. >> >> Isn't this possibly a cultural issue? Possibly regional? The largest >> Muslim population is not Libya or Egypt or even all of the middle east, its >> Indonesia. They do not appear to have this issue. >> >> So my question stands as Kofi stated: >> "Where are the leaders? Where is the Majority? Nobody speaks up." >> NOT the religious leaders but the leaders of the culture in which the >> religion lies. >> >> And Hussein, forgive me, but your inward religious stance has nothing to do >> with speaking out against injustice. It is not a religious issue, but a >> civic, cultural one. >> >> -- Owen >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Doug Roberts >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins >> >> 505-455-7333 - Office >> 505-670-8195 - Cell >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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