Doug -
On a related note, now would appear to be an excellent time to start a
church, impose mandatory weekly attendance upon the faithful, and
charge $20 a head at the door each week.
Clearly you haven't been to FRIAM (in person) lately... you are in
arrears on your dues! We'll take it out of the royalties on your eBook.
Tangenting again... my parents were both of Applachian stock where
those who "had Christ" used their bibles to access him without benefit
of a church or preacher.
My mother liked to go to church Christmas and Easter and I think the
last (and only?) time my father came with her, when the collection plate
came by, he reached in, then pulled his hand back empty and said "no
thank you, I think I have enough" and passed it on.
- Steve
--Doug
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson
<nickthomp...@earthlink.net <mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Yes but .....
I didn't believe Watergate the first few times I heard about it,
either. "You aren't telling me that a president that was going to
win an election in a walk actually sent Burglars into the
Democratic Headquarters?" I just could not believe that they
could be so stupid. I fell for Colin Powell's thing at the UN;
my wife didn't buy it for a moment. I have to say, that in most
contexts, I believe in gullibility. I think a little bit of
gullibility is the best program for getting on in life. But I
have been known to carry it too far.
Nick
*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts
*Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:39 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message
that the TED Controversy is Sending
There are a surprising number of them on facebook, Nick. To
nobody's great surprise, I guess.
--Doug
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Nicholas Thompson
<nickthomp...@earthlink.net <mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>>
wrote:
Doug,
Somebody laid the chemtrails thing on me the other day ... an
otherwise perfectly sensible neighbor ... and I was left standing
in the street with my jaw hanging open. What do you say when
somebody your sort of like, touches you on the upper arm, points
skyward and says, "Call me nuts, but ...."
I guess, "You're nuts!"
N
*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts
*Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:14 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message
that the TED Controversy is Sending
Well shoot, as long as we're talking about irrational belief sets,
how about if we throw chemtrails into the mix. There is a not
insignificant segment of the US population who fervently believe
that "they" are poisoning us, on purpose. But only on those days
that the jets leave con ... er ... chemtrails. No proof
necessary, just *look* at those chemtrails.
--Doug
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Ron Newman <ron.new...@gmail.com
<mailto:ron.new...@gmail.com>> wrote:
But you're missing the point.: *something* is working for them if
they believe it is, and is not for you or anyone who doesn't
believe it is. The question is how does it work? No, that's not
good enough, because it too easily leads back to premature
assumptions. The question is: how can placebo be improved. Not
set aside but improved.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, glen <g...@ropella.name
<mailto:g...@ropella.name>> wrote:
Barry MacKichan wrote at 04/04/2013 10:29 AM:
> I've heard it is very effective, but only for a time until the
> patient discovers it is a placebo. Call it the Lincoln effect ("You
> can fool all of ....").
A friend of mine announced that she's now getting acupuncture for her
chronic back and neck pain. There's a zealot in our local CfI
(http://www.centerforinquiry.net/) group who continuously and loudly
shouts about acupuncture being as quackish as homeopathy.
(Seriously...
is there anything as quackish as homeopathy?) The tiny amount of time
I've spent looking into acupuncture indicates that it's mostly
nonsense
with some slight possibility of truth in regard to certain _pressure_
points and nerve clusters. But nothing that an evidence-based
masseuse
couldn't achieve more effectively.
But I kept my mouth shut and let her talk about how well it's
worked so
far. My dad also used acupuncture for a racquetball associated
injury.
He claimed it worked very well... [ahem] ... even better than his
chiropractor. I didn't want to introduce any doubt that might
interfere
with her placebo effect.
Interestingly, I was trying to apply the Golden Rule in a post-hoc
analysis of my lack of action. Would I want someone to burst my
placebo
effect bubble? If so, when? Immediately? Or perhaps after some
window
of time as the placebo effect decays and it bumps up against the hard
biophysical/physiological limits?
--
=><= glen e. p. ropella
I can't get no peace until I get into motion
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