Ok, Owen. I am rising to this bait.
Oh, and I'm 200% with Doug about our "deadly embrace" tendency, quibbling about words and sucking the life out of otherwise interesting conversations. Now *that's* trolling! Please give me an example of such trolling. And yes this is a soft ball down the middle of the plate. So, hit it squarely. Let's pick an example where somebody "sucked the life out of" a conversation and I bet you will find an example of where somebody actually blew life into it for some portion of the list. Nick From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:08 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Presented for FRIAMic Consideration Well, to be *totally* fair, Owen, I wasn't just pointing out an article in one of my interest areas. I was also using it as an opportunity to gently criticize some of my FRIAM colleagues. Just a little bit. --Doug On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Owen Densmore <[email protected]> wrote: Oh, and I'm 200% with Doug about our "deadly embrace" tendency, quibbling about words and sucking the life out of otherwise interesting conversations. Now *that's* trolling! -- Owen On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Owen Densmore <[email protected]> wrote: Wait, to be fair, Doug simply 1 - Presented a pointer to an interesting article 2 - Explained why the article was interesting to him Where's the problem? I'm amazed at the article and would love to see the stunts that the program uses to increase entropy locally .. if I get it. -- Owen On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, glen ropella <[email protected]> wrote: Whenever I go down to Portland State University, there's a fundamentalist preacher standing on a bench asserting that all the people walking around are morally in danger. He talks and talks, rails and rails. Yet the students discuss their classes or their social networks, study their books, talk on their phones, eat their lunch, etc. No matter how loud the preacher yells about the behavior and moral degradation of the people around him, nobody listens. They continue to do what they do, sometimes listening in amusement to the preacher, or playing "Amen, brother" games with him, but mostly ignoring him. I have some ideas about why his protestations have no effect. But it would help, especially in a conversation like this, if the preacher, himself, were to give some practical hint as to _how_ the discussion could be taken in a new direction. Or even in what new direction the preacher would like us to take the discussion. (Aside from thumbing some bible or other.) Mostly, the preacher seems to want to preach, with no discussion being possible. Anytime anyone tries to approach the preacher and _discuss_ whatever, the preacher ends up ranting and railing about how that person just doesn't get it and always falls into the standard immorality they exhibited before they tried to start a discussion with the preacher. On 04/23/2013 08:16 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > Fuggit, work can wait, the first proposal is in final edit and the second > one is under control, so why delay my response. > > Re: your question of what do I find ridiculous: Not the subject of the > referenced paper, certainly. Rather our little group's pronounced tendency > to niggle and (dare I say it?) pontificate over the true, deep, and (dare I > say it?) philosophical meanings of words. Like, say, just to pick a random > sample: "emergence", "complex", "behaviors", "through", "causal", > "entropic", and "forces". > > And now to hijack my own thread: the referenced paper mentions cosmology as > one of the topic ares that the above terms are frequently used to describe. > Since cosmology is one of my favorite spare time reading focus areas, I > wanted to make an observation that the following reference makes very > clearly, which is that *nobody* has even the slightest glimmer of > understanding of our true cosmological origins. Even the events after that > instant of the big bang, where it is postulated that our universe expanded > from sub-atomic dimensions, through inflation (inflation? WTF caused that?) > are only sparsely understood. > > Classical physicists like to duck the subject of "What caused the big > bang?" by hiding behind the academic artifice of claiming that the question > is meaningless because space-time did not exist before the big bang. > > But, we do like to pontificate here on FRIAM, don't we? Deeply, and > philosophically. But rather than continuing in the usual vein of debating > (deeply, but with much pontification) the true meaning, of, say "emergence" > again, let's take the discussion in a new direction. Sorry for the > Facebook link, but the original article is buried behind a NewScientist > paywall. The article nicely addresses my thoughts on that other question > you asked me, i.e. where do I think life comes from. > > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=501821756549668 <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=501821756549668&set=a.4778929022758 87.114170.334816523250193&type=1&theater> &set=a.477892902275887.114170.334816523250193&type=1&theater > > > --TrollBoi -- glen =><= Hail Eris! ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Doug Roberts [email protected] <http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile
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