On 7/15/13 9:59 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
Nobody I ever worked with who had various high clearances seemed to be able to acknowledge that their honor might *require* them to break their oath? Is it that hard of a concept or did they not understand the nature of "honor" in the first place?
No one is going to go on the record over a subjective concept like honor. They're probably afraid to respond if the question is posed in non-specific way and they aren't sure if its treatment would be clearly treated by classification rules; they don't want people to get the impression they don't take it seriously.
Yeh... like that... exactly...

I'm pretty sure there is no statute of limitations for treason, and I am incriminating myself when I say that I once broke my oath and effectively told a moderately important (but obscure) nuclear secret. Our friend Steve Younger made me painfully aware of my transgression the next day in an all-hands speech (collective berating?) he gave.

He reminded us (before Admiral Peter G. Nanos brought us butthead/cowboy) that to divulge (nuclear) secrets was punishable by death and that even to "confirm or deny" something stated in the open, among uncleared individuals (or even cleared? individuals without a need to know) was equal to telling the secret.

I had been sitting in a hot tub the night before with some uncleared folks who had plenty of (uninformed) bones to pick with LANL, the DOE and pretty much all of science and maybe even logic itself. There was a totally uninformed, inane conversation, but at one point someone said something acutely inane and I couldn't help myself, I *SNORTED* and the tub went quiet. People knew I was in a position to potentially know the factuality of what they were talking about.

Listening to Younger berate us for something we hadn't done, I realized I had just done exactly that. I had confirmed a nuclear secret by denying an inane comment about it in a totally informal setting. Factually, I don't think anyone else in the hot-tub had the background to have a clue of the import of my snort, only that I very viscerally and directly announced something that if they'd been clue-full in those ways, might have been meaningful if not particularly useful to "our enemies".

This sobered me on several fronts. First, I realized I had thoughtlessly and frivolously betrayed my oath and honor (albeit unintentionally). Second, I realized that while I made a good salary, there was no "hazard pay" associated with the threat to my life (capital punishment) implied by my work. Third, the secret in question was pretty obscure and in some ways inane itself.

All in all, I did not worry that in practice I would ever be held accountable. I knew that nobody there knew what I was snorting about really. I knew that nobody who cared knew that I'd snorted. I trusted that if they did, they would recognize point 1) and that it was "innocent" on my part. I trusted that even if they got a little bent about it, it would be a reprimand, not even a loss of clearance much less job, liberty or life.

Nevertheless, it made me acutely aware of where I was, what those things I knew meant, etc. I'm sure I wasn't the first or only one to do such a thing. I wonder what would have happened if I'd had to go under polygraph and I was asked if I'd ever divulged a secret?

And I was *still* willing to ask the questions... (refer to my to-fro with Glen about "hard knocks").

I admit it is easier to answer (think about) if you in fact have not made such oaths (with such stakes involved). Maybe my willingness to talk (think?) about such things makes me a security risk. I gave up the job 5 years ago and the clearance 3... I don't miss either (well, that regular paycheck was kinda handy... but ...)...

- Steve



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