On 9/16/13 10:47 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
On 9/16/13 9:41 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
My (relevant) point is that with that kind of distributed,
self-motivated, activity... how could we possibly know that there
aren't man Anonymous-Sympathetic individuals working on hardware
doping, etc. as part of their day jobs (or parallell/tangential to
their day jobs) who might be on the edge of this.
It seems to me an organization like Anonymous has little to offer such
a person, besides risk of identification. Does such a person really
want to risk their own Adrian Lamo when picking a fight with the Zetas
cartel?
Anonymous has *nothing* to offer *anyone* as an organization IMO. What
it offers, as a concept, is an inspiration and an awareness that a
large, almost completely decoupled group of people can have a big effect.
I'm sure that you are correct that the limited effect against the
Cartels by Anon's call to action *is* based on the wide reaching and
unforgiving threat they represent in their very nature.
Without using the brush too broadly, I can imagine that *many* would
be as reticent about taking on say... the US (or any country's)
intelligence apparatus or any of the transnational corporations (look at
what has come out about such interests in SoAm and Africa and the
lengths they have probably gone to to maintain favorable conditions for
extractive profits).
Using Snowden as an example, if we grant him the motivations he has
claimed (whether they might be naive or not), he disturbed the water of
the US National Security policy regarding spying on US Citizens in a way
that surely thousands of others in similar positions to his might have.
His position was elite, but not unique.
I don't fully appreciate your Adrian Lamo reference... are you saying
that the Mannings (and Snowdens?) of the world need to think about the
Lamos of the world when they act? If we were playing Jeapordy, I guess
the answer to "Adrian Lamo" is somewhere in a recursive chain of "Who is
watching the Watchers?".
I don't like the idea of generating/cultivating a culture of fear and
paranoia, but I suppose I *do* like noticing that the culture of fear
and paranoia that already exists might be self-limiting through it's own
nature?
- Steve
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