While this is not totally related, xkcd had a funny cartoon on self driving cars yesterday. http://xkcd.com/1559/ . The situation in the cartoon might qualify as a a malevolent situation. Others might just say that the self driving car got rekt.
Cody Smith On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Parks, Raymond <[email protected]> wrote: > My wife hates "New and Improved" and news-stories about vehicular > homicide that state "the car hit the group of children at the school bus > stop". The first has been a staple of language comedy - how can something > be new and improved at the same time? Her gripe with the second is that a > car (or truck or ...) has no volition - it must be controlled by someone. > The driver hit the group of children with the car under their control. > This will still be true for autonomous vehicles - even if the passengers in > the car have no control (unlikely), the software developers who program the > algorithms of the autonomous vehicle will be liable when the car hits the > school children - the programmers hit the school children. > > Speaking of autonomous vehicles, as I was commuting to work this > morning, my Prius did it's "oh noes, I'm skidding" thing when I accelerated > quickly out of my side street - there's always a patch of gravel and the > anti-skid thinks the drive wheels have lost traction, drops power to the > wheels, and suddenly I'm not accelerating into the hole in traffic that > seemed plenty big enough. After that, the anti-skid did the opposite > (accelerated) when the car bumped over the potholes at Alameda and Rio > Grande. > > That made me think that the real problem with autonomous vehicles is how > do they handle the abnormal environment. In nuclear safety, we consider > that any system has to operate in a normal (i.e. expected) environment, in > abnormal (i.e. rare, not expected) environments, and malevolent (i.e. bad > guys attacking) environments. The edge cases of the abnormal environment > will be the second biggest problem for autonomous vehicles (the malevolent > environment is the biggest problem). I expect, however, that those edge > cases will happen more often than outright attacks and will have equally > spectacular failure modes. > > How will autonomous vehicles handle construction zones (that should be > part of the normal environment, but I don't know if the programmers have > thought about the infinite variations that can be encountered)? > > How will autonomous vehicles handle GPS mapping errors? Humans seem to > have trouble when their GPS tells them to turn into a one-way street or > over a non-existent bridge - will autonomous vehicles do better? > > How will autonomous vehicles handle low-water crossings? That, too, > should be part of the normal environment, but sometimes an exceptionally > heavy rain moves them into the abnormal environment. > > Presumably, autonomous vehicles will detect the tree branch that fell > into the roadway - but will they notice the tree branch starting to fall? > I'm not sure most humans would notice the latter, but some would. > > I've driven in the mountains after some heavy rains and noticed on a > curve ahead that the dirt under the blacktop had been washed out. I knew > from my long-distance observation not to drive over that section of road. > Would an autonomous vehicle notice that? > > Sorry to hijack the thread, but feel free to answer with a new subject. > At least the first paragraph is on topic. > > Ray Parks > Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer > V: 505-844-4024 M: 505-238-9359 P: 505-951-6084 > > > On Aug 5, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > > I have to admit to a fascination on evolution of language. Remember The > MacNeil/Lehrer Report? Robert MacNeil had a great series on the evolution > of English, even to influence of the sea islands (Gullah), > > There are some downsides. I'm bitchy about a few usages: If I *was* > should be If I were, subjunctive. Loan is a noun so I can not "loan you > something" .. "lend (verb) you something". Less -> Fewer. It goes on. > > I bet we all have our own favorites. > > -- Owen > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Gary Schiltz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Enough is enough. If bro and bruuh are added to the dictionary, I will >> start speaking Spanish exclusively. And what the fuck is "on fleek"? 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