Below is my “private” answer to Russ’s “private” question. Up till now it was a bit of intimacy between us. Now it is fully public, therefore not intimate.
N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Nick Thompson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:02 PM To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy Hi, Russ, I think I gave you my answer, although, perhaps, you found it so unacceptable that you did not recognize it as such. Intimacy is just being so close that you see the same world from where you stand. Or it might be when the self you see projected in another ‘s behavior toward you is the same as the self you see projected in your own behavior. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Russ Abbott [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 6:23 PM To: Thompson, Nick <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy This started as a simple question: does "intimacy" mean anything in your framework? I'll take "no" for an answer. On Feb 21, 2016 12:11 PM, "Nick Thompson" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Hi, Russ, You wrote: As Lee's father used to imply, one can't know whether one's own pain is like someone else's. Rather than pose this as an epistemological issue (“one can’t know”), I would pose it as a logical one: there is no world in which the question, “what is it like to be somebody else” is coherent. This point is taken up in the “old new realist” article, which I forwarded earlier. And you also wrote: But if we assume we are all human, have similar experiences, etc. one can imagine what someone else's pain is like based on one's own experience. The “ejective anthropomorphism” article shows, I think that this project is also incoherent. They both belong to a class of “mysteries” that are created by violating the rules of a word-game. “What is the sound of one hand clapping?” “Nobody knows because nobody has ever heard the sound of one hand clapping.” “Wow! What a mystery!” No, it’s not a mystery. It’s just bad grammar. Ever wonder what it would be like to be a married bachelor? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Russ Abbott [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 9:28 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >; Nick Thompson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy As Lee's father used to imply, one can't know whether one's own pain is like someone else's. But if we assume we are all human, have similar experiences, etc. one can imagine what someone else's pain is like based on one's own experience. Certainly isn't the issue; one does the best one can with what one has. Pierce must have said something like that somewhere. On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:21 AM <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Re: your dental pain. Patsy had to have a tooth pulled a couple of weeks ago; her dentist, instead of prescribing opioids, told her to take 2 ibuprofen and 2 acetominipehn (sp.?), together, every four hours. It worked great. No doubt not recommended for long term use or if you have liver problems, etc., etc. My father used to say, when I complained of pain, "What pain? I can't feel a thing." Ha, ha, ha. (This is presumably relevant to the FRIAM thread, come to think of it.) ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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