Cody raises a valid thing that basically somethings (a fridge) do they need to do much?
I sort of disagre with the author if I am to understand him right where he thinks dreeming up potential improvments and the future doesn't help much. I'll take my own pet project as example of this where I thought this is silly, I want something that's better and like x,y z. Oh I said to myself I'm looking at something kind of like a mix of Klingon and StarFleet acadmy(from startrek) and the reason why I thought something like that might be useful was basically system and place for people to exchange ideas and generally ( I hope) make things a little simpler and way more fun and make magic happen somehow.--kind of like a nice mix of a school, research place, and ol'fationed interactive meusum. I duno I guess if I wasn't a trek geek and didn't think it might be onto something where swashbuckling alians and humans play well (for example) I might not want to even persue that dreem. ^_^ I just think it's silly things are way more complicated than they need to be. lol I also agree with cody about elections being a giant mess and somethings work as well being dumb than smart. Your fridge being a fine example.lol it keeps pizza cold for Friday Movie Night. I wonder if a Matter Transmogerification and Teleportation Device would be better. I don't know by how much though. I think there needs to be a middle ground between constant change (Like google) for-because reasons. lol compared to say MS's approach of only sometimes kind of sort of bug fixes. Somethings might better from the future like Quantum Speed Internet. Or If anyone read the Vorksagon series they had this super cool thing called a Halo System where not only could you talk to someone over a phone, they had this super fun sounding thing called a Omni where you could go to a box or booth of some sort the Describe to the Omni what your issue is and it'd due it's best to help fix the problem teleporting in all manner of things from Wrenches to one time it teleported in a Pirates Ship leading to some amusing issues. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:59 AM, cody dooderson <[email protected]> wrote: > The author of that article seems scared of change. He was scared of the > crazy hippies, and now he's scared of voting online. He does make some good > points. I agree that smart refrigerators are really just more complicated > dumb refrigerators. I disagree with his view on digital democracy. It is > difficult to imagine a digital redesign of democracy that can be worse than > the primary, caucus, 2 party, democratic-republic system we a are currently > spectating. > > Cody Smith > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well, political parties are not government, they are patronage >> organizations, and in poorer states such as ours the party faithful fall >> all over themselves with way too early and ill-informed endorsements just >> to please those who might maybe mobilize future electoral resources on >> their behalf. Late or more well considered endorsements, well then maybe >> not so much. This weekend The Party is coming to visit; observe the >> groveling. >> >> Hey, I'm not cynical. >> >> But I'm a little kid in liking big trucks and construction. I'll drive >> Cerrillos every day just to see what's going on. Cruise-o-tainment. >> >> But, back to the article, one of the points is that many of the "new >> ideas" with regard to cities are more or less clever marketing tropes, and >> that buying into them inadvertently can reinforce the very processes they >> seem to try to overthrow. Maybe that's the case, maybe not. We should >> consider.... >> >> Best of luck with the pizza. >> >> Carl >> >> >> On 4/6/16 12:58 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: >> >> Arguable THE issue tech in NM is this: >> Oh you need/want fast internet? screw you take this DSL speed instead! >> Oh you just want go to the store and get some pizza? Screw you here's >> some rode construction, plus some dick two inches from your rear bumper >> instead! >> >> Those are the kinds of crap that's wrong. end of story. >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Gillian Densmore < >> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Great find carl! >>> >>> MY issue is that all this crap is overly complicated. I just want it to >>> be both easy, and fun to do things. >>> >>> lol that article is great but to many fancy words just to say yeah >>> things these days are to complicated, and I haven't a clue why. >>> Lets see today alone I'm trying out a few different weby-web page makers >>> because I ran into a gocha with wordpress it's kind of not all that simple >>> to make small changes to a wordpress theme. I duno I don't think its as >>> simple as it could be. On the other hand lots of people use it, and >>> suposedly Automatix said: uh yeah does this suck, lets try to fix it. >>> >>> My Cellphone has off and on reception. (Kind of the nature of the beast >>> with hills and vallies and no antenta's for a ways. My internet sucks , the >>> place I use to try out some options is ludicrously slow. However The >>> options are Affordable or Comcast. I mention all this because I am puzzled >>> Why the heck are these basic things even a issue oO >>> The way I see it is this: bad news is NM failed. End of story. >>> Politicians just pointing fingers epically failed as well. End of story. >>> The good news is it seems like many of the day to day issues can be >>> solved, NM has a some kind of nice village charm. >>> >>> Personally I've had about enough of people saying john has coodies, Fred >>> has a large eyebrow, Sally's smile is to big or what ever silly things they >>> say, use to many fancy words just to say Oy hey lets see if X can be done >>> better, and not make it so darn complicated. >>> >>> The way I see it the questions should be limited as much as possible: >>> Does it work? and is it simple to do or use?, and useful and mabie even >>> kind fun and cool to do or use? these should be about the only questions at >>> least as far as I'm concerned- lol but hey what do I know. ^_^ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Merle Lefkoff < >>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Carl. Don't have to tell you how much this resonated with our >>>> work! >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Carl < <[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> An inspired rant possibly of interest to FRIAM denizens; found the >>>>> link through Bruce Sterling. >>>>> >>>>> http://amsterdamalternative.nl/articles/1890 >>>>> >>>>> Can't say I disagree. Mainly since the sort of things he's >>>>> critiquing are increasingly coming our way and any sort of expanded >>>>> perspective may be useful. >>>>> >>>>> Carl >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ============================================================ >>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>>> to unsubscribe <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> >>>>> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>>> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>>> [email protected] >>>> mobile: (303) 859-5609 <%28303%29%20859-5609> >>>> skype: merle.lelfkoff2 >>>> >>>> ============================================================ >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >
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